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Racism and ethnic cleansing "aren't clear cut" if the bad side is described with the right buzzwords ๐Ÿ˜ฌ (media.piefed.social)
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[โ€“] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

historically European felt very justified

My bro really think colonialism is exclusively european traits, forgotten the fact that ww2 happened, Gengkis Khan conquest, the ottoman empire, china's 3 kingdom war that very much inspired a novel, israel, and a whole lot more empire that rise and fall.

"european" is also a huge brush stroke for such a huge and diverse continent.

[โ€“] goat@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

Tankies only consider Westerners to be colonisers.

[โ€“] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

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[โ€“] Chill_Dan@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

. . . No, not at all.

One side is unequivocally committing genocide against the other. It's pretty clear cut.

[โ€“] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I was thinking of the One State vs Two state thing when I typed the previous comment.

[โ€“] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I just don't understand anyone's logic here. I feel like you can defend someone's right to be somewhere because of their historical ties to a region, but I don't think you can use it to deny someone else's right to also live their cooperatively. That has been my understanding of decolonization. Its not about kicking all the colonial settlers out, but about removing the inequality and hierarchy when it comes to management of the land and living there.

However notice how I am also not pulling genetics into this. I am using historical ties. Just because you are 8% jewish or palestinian shouldn't mean you are entitled to anything. But if you can say your mother, grandmother, whatever lived there for however long then I feel like there is an argument. But that person could be armenian, manchurian, french, swahili, whatever. To me its about your own personal ties to the land, not your ethnicity. Blood doesnt mean shit.

[โ€“] PugJesus@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago

Yeah. It's one thing to say that actual or recent colonists should be kicked out; another that their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren who were born and raised in the land should be mandated to vacate for an insufficiently pure ancestry.

Ethnic cleansing doesn't become acceptable just because "Other side did it first!" or "The oppressed are incapable of wrongdoing or problematic views"

Decolonization, like you said, is about decolonizing institutions, including institutions of property ownership and wealth that favor settlers; not turning the metaphorical clock back by un-immigrating colonists' descendants.

[โ€“] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

curious about the context. they're discussing european colonisation?

[โ€“] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Israel.

[โ€“] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're conflating Israelis with Europeans?

[โ€“] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Half of Israelis are descended from Europeans. That's apparently enough to create 'ambiguity' about whether genetics are a valid reason to ethnically cleanse a population.