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Anyone else just confused or feel undecided on the Israel-Palestine issue? There's too much propaganda everwhere, I don't bother taking a side other than stop killing civillians.
Common demominator seems to be religion. Always religion causing issues everywhere.
. . . No, not at all.
One side is unequivocally committing genocide against the other. It's pretty clear cut.
I just don't understand anyone's logic here. I feel like you can defend someone's right to be somewhere because of their historical ties to a region, but I don't think you can use it to deny someone else's right to also live their cooperatively. That has been my understanding of decolonization. Its not about kicking all the colonial settlers out, but about removing the inequality and hierarchy when it comes to management of the land and living there.
However notice how I am also not pulling genetics into this. I am using historical ties. Just because you are 8% jewish or palestinian shouldn't mean you are entitled to anything. But if you can say your mother, grandmother, whatever lived there for however long then I feel like there is an argument. But that person could be armenian, manchurian, french, swahili, whatever. To me its about your own personal ties to the land, not your ethnicity. Blood doesnt mean shit.
Yeah. It's one thing to say that actual or recent colonists should be kicked out; another that their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren who were born and raised in the land should be mandated to vacate for an insufficiently pure ancestry.
Ethnic cleansing doesn't become acceptable just because "Other side did it first!" or "The oppressed are incapable of wrongdoing or problematic views"
Decolonization, like you said, is about decolonizing institutions, including institutions of property ownership and wealth that favor settlers; not turning the metaphorical clock back by un-immigrating colonists' descendants.
historically European felt very justified
My bro really think colonialism is exclusively european traits, forgotten the fact that ww2 happened, Gengkis Khan conquest, the ottoman empire, china's 3 kingdom war that very much inspired a novel, israel, and a whole lot more empire that rise and fall.
"european" is also a huge brush stroke for such a huge and diverse continent.
Tankies only consider Westerners to be colonisers.
curious about the context. they're discussing european colonisation?
Israel.
They're conflating Israelis with Europeans?
Half of Israelis are descended from Europeans. That's apparently enough to create 'ambiguity' about whether genetics are a valid reason to ethnically cleanse a population.
Do you have a link to the thread?