Android

Counterpoint: I use the McDonald's app where it belongs - on a giant greasy ordering kiosk.

But seriously, banks have websites. Everyone and everything has a website.

I don't need Android apps at the cost of my privacy or at the cost of control of my devices.

I use GrapheneOS as my only phone, and I have done so for years.

Whatever the topic, I don't need an app for that.

Exactly, trying to find software alternative for what ultimately going to be locked down hardware is never going to be a sustainable solution.

Alternative OS means nothing if there's no widely supported open hardware with unlocked bootloader to run such OS long term, and Google is got all mainstream phone manufactures cornered legally and commercially with this and their requirement for manufecturer authorization for shipping GMS suite with their products.

The only way out is this ridiculous decision of Google getting push backs from legislation, because there's nothing manufecturers can do and without them there's nothing FOSS developers can do to push back long term, and Google isn't stopping themselves from doing Evil™.

I've never had an issue with the three banking apps I tried on LineageOS, and I didn't even know there was a McDonald's app or pokemon games.

If this list for /e/os roughly applies to LineageOS (with microG), I wouldn't call it "only for secondary devices", more "won't work for some people"

Did I miss something? AFAIK google is requiring devs to ID, not to use SafetyNet or whatever the "only-runs-on-certified-phones" thing is called

You can blame the courts for this one. They basically ruled "Apple isn't a monopoly, because they don't even LET other people compete in the first place". (which is about a bass-ackwards as it gets but whatever)

Google saw this and went "shit..." so they're rushing to implement the same thing.

I hear you. My wife has also requested that I not deprecate certain proprietary apps until I can provide a good alternative that works on both Android and Apple. Last time was when we were traveling and wanted to share locations with each other in real time. I had to give WhatsApp location perms 🤮

If this comes to pass, f-droid might get closed as the userbase dwindles. Many apps will also cease to be developed and be left without updates. You will not get out with just updating to LineageOS. We should be looking at Linux phones at that point.

Still using LOS, haven't looked back...

I feel like you don't really know anything about the scam community, but a side loaded app is like 500 times more likely to be malware than a Play store app. The amount of millions that have been stolen from users in India, Mexico, Africa, and Brazil because of sideloaded apps is pretty staggering.

I'm fairly certain fdroid should just be able to alter the way that they're doing things a bit and still exist under the need to obtain a signing cert from Google.

I mean personally I'm not on the same side with this. I would rather Google not do this without some way to disable it via the UI given enough warnings and what not.