The older I get the less I want to overeat. After big meals now if I don't take a walk I feel like absolute garbage.
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I'm the opposite. I enjoy shoveling food in my face hole, but do not enjoy the feeling afterwards.
Yes, and when I have the munchies but feel full already I'm a bit sad :(
I hate the feeling. But I do overeat sometimes, because I love eating tasty foods and can't stop even when I'm full.
I’m the same. Love good food and little treats. The taste and the texture and the sensations overall. Yes please.
The aftermath, however, if I ever accidentally overdo it, is just a generally bad, nauseous feeling where it feels kind of “tight” inside, it’s harder to move, you feel bloated and tired, and only thing you can do to mend it is give it time and lay still. It’s bad. Can’t even imagine liking it to be honest. But I get that some (most?) may not feel so confined and anxious when just laying still. I have adhd which probably explains why I absolutely hate having to do that.
The problem with overeating, is once you need to stop yourself, it's harder to - because you still need to eat. You still need to keep doing the thing that you've got a problem with.
Imagine if to "stop smoking", you had to smoke 3x a day?
That's why eating disorders are so damn hard for people.
I desperately wish I could go cold turkey on eating. It is such a difficult thing to regulate for me, I want to simply give it up like I did for nicotine.
Do smoothies/liquid ish things instead... Protein powder + spinach leaves+ any combination of blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, pineapple, bananas ..
Mmm cold turkey.
I've quit a nicotine addiction of 11 years cold turkey. That was the easiest because I self regulated most of the time and never reached pack a day. More like pack a week max. Urge to smoke faded within a week.
I've quit a cannabis addiction of 8 years cold turkey. That was harder, because I vaped every hour I was conscious. So widthdrawal was pretty fucking awful, but I managed.
Food is crazy hard for me. I was in a 7/11 after every work shift. I got into a really bad delivery food habit during covid lockdowns. I hadn't cooked my own meals regularly for over 12 years. It was fucking up my health and self esteem severely. I wasn't a ham planet only because I'm abnormally tall. Still, ideal for me is 220lbs and my worst was 290lbs.
I did extended fasting. You can quit cold turkey, it's the hardest thing I ever did. Had to give my roommate my pay cards to hide from myself when I was on work week or I'd keep breaking early. Deleted saved pay info from web browsers. First three days are the worst. I'd go 2-3 weeks in a row and then take a month break. Longer is too dangerous or I'm too risk adverse. Either way. Repeated until goal weight. Yadya Yadya drank mineral slurry to not die, not getting into it here.
After that the addictive urges to buy a bunch of candy, carbs, and junk food slowly faded but I had to learn new habits. That's also very hard for a depressive person. I've managed so far to buy raw unprocessed foods for lunch (I don't do breakfast) and my roommate and I take turns cooking calorie wise HelloFresh dinner meals for now. Slowly getting better at cooking. Eventually I'll wean off of this service. I'm just trying not to relapse for now.
My mindset until I'm feeling confident is anything highly processed is an evil virus of capitalist satan and I have to avoid it lol. It's easier since it's in combination with boycotting American owned/imported everything that I can.
So it can be done. Just don't develop a new different eating disorder in the process.
Very inspirational, thanks for sharing! What mineral slurry would you consume, if you don't mind me asking? I quit cigarettes 8 years ago cold turkey no issues, I'm currently trying to muster willpower to wean myself off of cannabis, but binging food when I'm at home is still something I have not had much luck with yet.
That's what I used to think, long ago. Ever since I discovered keto as an adult, it's like the world has changed. It's like finding the magic key after a lifetime of struggling with an invisible lock
What's better, IMO, is keeping a balanced diet that minimizes or eliminates refined carbs and emphasizes protein and unsaturated fats. Unrefined carbs like whole grains can still be very filling even if they're somewhat calorie dense, and a strict keto diet can make it harder to eat some otherwise healthy foods.
Strict keto takes away the food noise, which is what a lot of us struggle with. There's no longer the cravings, you're not fighting your own body every hour of every day.
Personally, I've settled on a long-term diet
- emphasizing saturated fat
- adequate amounts of bioavailable protein
- zero carbohydrates
All my food noise is gone. All my cravings are gone. I still have some emotional triggers, like walking by a donut shop. I used to walk by, but that's much more manageable. I'm not struggling with food like I used to. I actually only eat about once a day, I don't have any cravings. When I do get hungry. It's a very different hunger than before, it's just oh I could eat, not I must eat.
From my understanding, food noise can be caused by a few things ranging from eating habits and culture to poor nutrition. Keto is able to help by filling your diet with things that keep you feeling full (protein and fat) and giving you some straightforward rules that keep you eating those things, which makes you not hungry as often and forces you to have some discipline around eating. You can still get cravings and noise on a keto diet though if your nutrition is off.
Whole grains can actually still be very filling despite their calorie density, on par with fats, but they have other nutritional benefits. They contain a lot of important nutrients, vitamins, minerals, and fiber that can reduce cravings and help keep the food noise down.
I've actually done keto before, the strict rules were helpful discipline-wise, but I was able to get all of the same benefits without actually being in ketosis. By trying to keep myself eating foods that keep me full, by avoiding binging and keeping my habits in check, and by getting rid of refined carbs (pasta and sugar are the worst, it's like you didn't even eat anything) I've been able to keep my diet in check pretty well.
Also be careful about saturated fats long-term. It can be bad for your heart if they make up too much of your diet. You're probably aware already but I thought I'd mention it just in case.
Keto is able to help by filling your diet with things that keep you feeling full (protein and fat) and giving you some straightforward rules that keep you eating those things, which makes you not hungry as often and forces you to have some discipline around eating.
I would also add that keto also removes glucose spikes->insulin spikes->glucose dips, removes lots of the low energy hangry loops that most people are stuck in.
You can still get cravings and noise on a keto diet though if your nutrition is off.
Sure, that would just be biologically appropriate hunger, since the nutrition is off and the body wants more nutrition.
I’ve actually done keto before, the strict rules were helpful discipline-wise, but I was able to get all of the same benefits without actually being in ketosis
Fantastic!
By trying to keep myself eating foods that keep me full, by avoiding binging and keeping my habits in check, and by getting rid of refined carbs (pasta and sugar are the worst, it’s like you didn’t even eat anything) I’ve been able to keep my diet in check pretty well.
Did keto not keep you feeling full?
Also be careful about saturated fats long-term. It can be bad for your heart if they make up too much of your diet.
Thanks for bringing that up. My reading of the literature has satisfied me that in the absence of elevated glucose and metabolic disease saturated fats are actually quite healthy and not a long term health risk (at least for myself).
All carbohydrates I am eating are brown rice, whole-grain pasta and pumpernickel. I don't know what "food noise" is supposed to be.
Ok, how long can you go between meals? If you skip a meal what happens? Do you need snacks? What if you had no snacks? Do you get hangry? Do you think you could jump into a 48 hour fast right now with no prep?
Food noise is all the urges, tendencies, cravings, hungers, and other signals that are part of snack culture, if you don't have any food noise - that is amazing, I'm glad!
Are you familiar with 'jouissance'?
The drive continues past satisfaction into compulsion.
Pleasure is mixed with pain, shame, or guilt during/after the act.
It’s symbolic. Eating can act like a shortcut for dealing with other feelings or wants — it fills a need that words or thinking don’t fix.
I despise being over full! Glad I'm not the only one in these comments. It just makes me feel sick.
Yeah it feels good for about 5 minutes then its terrible for several hours
Ah, the ‘itis!
Feeling boated and about to puke and also incredibly sleepy is good?
Edit: not to mention, overeating is one of the many less discussed reason we're in this climate mess...
For some people, yes.
To be honest, this just sounds like sugar shock. If your blood sugar rises too fast for insulin to be able to counteract it, then you start getting symptoms like drowsiness, fatigue, and "high-ness." This can feel good, but it is basically doing damage to your brain, so I am not sure that this would be good long term. Then again, I suppose the same can be said for (hard) drugs.
It's a survival mechanism.
We human animals were designed to live in the wilderness with no available food. We had to constantly be on the search for food or preparing it in order to survive. And when we found food, we gorged on it because we knew that there might not be another supply of food later.
Humans lived like that for thousands of years.
It's only been very recently that the majority of us had a steady supply of food. There are starving populations but not as much as there was in the past.
We are designed and conditioned to be starving because we are not supposed to have freely available food all the time.
Maybe in a few thousand years we will adapt to having food around all the time.
But right now and for the foreseeable future, we're going to have problems with our diet and health all the time unless we really apply our knowledge and self control to maintain a healthy lifestyle.
Yes there's also a mechanism in our brains that if a food is high enough in nutrients like calories, fat, etc. we don't feel full and just keep eating. In the past such sources were few and far between, so when one came upon them, we needed to eat as much as physically possible. The issue is, these days we have a lot of food like that. Our brains can't handle it, so we overeat very easily.