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It's that time again (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 day ago by Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

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Cross-posted from "It's that time again" by @Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com in !linux_memes@programming.dev

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[–] DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

We all got choices, that's what I like about Linux. KDE seems to run great for most people, for me it always seems to bug out and act super janky (the panel editor in particular would bug out and crash constantly, I could never get the damn thing to where I liked it). If it was more stable for me I'd probably use it, I love customizing my system. I've tried making it work a few times, never seems to click.

GNOME's extensions may break on updates from time to time but my day to day experience with it is much nicer. While more rigid it's a lot more polished and doesn't crash out on me just using the interface. I like the layout of it. I'm glad KDE works for so many of you guys, but I'll stick with GNOME until a better option comes around.

That said, if anyone has a better suggestion for a desktop environment I'm all ears.

[–] Johnny101@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago

Which is why Plasma is better

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Same with Manjaro and the AUR.

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

So you have an example? It never happened to me the last 7 years.

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 48 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

The other week had a GNOME dev reply to a thread of mine on mastodon stating that the users desire to select a default terminal emulator was an "edge case" and it was beneath GNOME. then all the GNOME fanboys came out to his defense.

It's an insufferable DE and community.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

As insufferable as KDE users always shitting on gnome?

I've generally found gnome users just use it. New KDE releases don't have gnome fanboys bashing it, etc.

But new GNOME releases? Directly the opposite.

Really wish people would just chill.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

As insufferable as KDE users always shitting on gnome?

This 100%

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 5 points 17 hours ago

I've generally found gnome users just use it

lol

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[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 10 points 15 hours ago

Dunno, I saw GNOME 3 run like molasses on my PC, went "ok, this might be lost cause", went with LXDE and then XFCE, and now I'm like "if it's a beefy proper PC I'll go with KDEPlasma and if it's, like, very obsolete system I'll, dunno, go with XFCE".

GNOME is just opinionated. I get it, it was kinda vaguely modeled after Mac OS, which is kinda an opinionated desktop environment, but the thing is, it's even more opinionated than Mac OS ever was. The thing about (early!) Mac OS X was "hey, we have this slick desktop environment but also some power user features you might want to use. But we're not forcing you to!" (Kinda like GNOME 2!) ...GNOME has been kinda sweeping those under the rug, in my opinion.

[–] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 37 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I don't use gnome because I don't think a desktop use interface should be designed for iPads

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 18 points 17 hours ago

I've got Gnome installed on a tablet PC. It's not good there, either.

[–] alecsargent@lemmy.zip 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

When I first used Linux I loved Gnome for the intuitiveness and simplicity but I did not like the same thing you were saying. I guess it makes a good desktop for tablets lol.

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[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 6 points 14 hours ago

There is literally one working todo thingy extension for GNOME. KDE has one included.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 156 points 1 day ago (21 children)

Just use KDE Plasma

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

Kubuntu FTW!!!!

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

This is what I concluded in the end...

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do at home, can't choose at work (but we keep pushing the people in charge)

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

I heard of imposing operating systems (which I'm also against*), but never specific distros or DEs.

* at least for technical people who know what they're doing and wont spam the IT support

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

My company started enforcing Macs this year but as a special exception they'll let us use Windows or Ubuntu. No other distro and the CTO must still authorize it.

The reason? Meet some vague security guidelines that the PR team wants us to be able to say we meet, by forcing us to run a spying agent to ensure our OS is up-to-date so I'm not vulnerable to leaking data I don't even have access to. But the tool doesn't support anything that updates frequently.

I had just built a brand new laptop for work and I refused to sully it with Ubuntu so I installed it on an old desktop and just been putting zero effort into fixing Ubuntu shit. Wifi often can't handle meetings, none of my cameras worked ootb - also can't go to the office anymore since I can't carry the desktop there.

Still a year away from being able to request the company buys me a machine again (last time there were no conditions for it) - but I don't intend to stay here until then.

[–] menemen@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago

If it is a larger company that defintly would make maintenance easier.

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[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Yeah I very much like dislike the culture of Gnome... maybe I'll try something else someday. KDE isn't for me but Cosmic maybe.

[–] ibot@feddit.org 28 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I think Gnome is the most beautyful Desktop out there. But it's UX drives me crazy. I tried it a few times but never could get used to it. I always needed extensions to customize it to my needs. But that's also what I want to avoid because extensions might break in the future. Therefore, Gnome is simply not the right Desktop for me.

But I'm happy for everyone who likes to use Gnome. The great thing about Linux: We have a choice!

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

I remember seeing a very MacOS like demonstration of Gnome. Someone had themed a Gnome desktop with a kind of sunset in the forest kind of feel, and they were opening menus and launching Nautilus and such like that, and it looked absolutely amazing.

I don't know how anyone lives with it. I've got Fedora Gnome on a tablet that I use basically to have FreeCAD and power tool manual PDFs in my wood shop, and at some point I'm going to try something else. "Opinionated" is the gentle way to put it.

[–] ampy@discuss.online 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I like how GNOME looks and functions for the most part, but I really wish the world provide more options instead of whatever design philosophy they think needs enforced.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Obligatory mention that Linux Mint's dev team have forked some GNOME apps into their own XApps* project. Part of the reason is so that those apps retain the user's window manager's look and feel rather than GNOME's enforced interface design. That might even be the main reason, but they also throw in their own improvements to the apps where they feel they're necessary.

They've not yet forked all GNOME-looking applications in Mint, and I'm not even sure they intend to, but it's a noble effort.

* Yes, it really is called that. Like I've said before, they probably could have chosen a better name, but they chose it before Wayland was a real threat and before Twitter got lobotomised.

[–] Arcka@midwest.social 9 points 18 hours ago

X referred to a display server since long before Twitter was born.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

There are so many things the Linux kernel project does just right. One of them is "never break user space".
Unfortunately most projects completely fail to get why this is important.
I think one of the worst examples is the enormous setback it caused when Python was "upgraded" from 2 to 3, which meant breakage of huge amounts of libraries, that were never fixed, and was extremely detrimental to Python.

The kernel respects user-space, but actual user front ends do not!?!?!
KDE generally does the same when they upgrade to new versions of QT.

[–] cole@lemdro.id 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

python 2 to 3 is actually an enormous change

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[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 18 hours ago

The kernel equivalent of shell extensions would be kernel modules. Out of tree modules break all the time. There's no stable in-kernel ABI, just like there's no guarantee that shell internals never change.

[–] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

I used to be a Gnome fan. But I hate the direction they took from Gnome shell 4 onwards. Now I use KDE and I'm happy with it.

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 9 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It really is a shame that they force you to update to the new version. If only there was some way to continue using the existing Gnome version until the extensions have been updated by their authors.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

Most package managers allow pinning software versions, you could look into that for your distro. Might come in handy in other use cases too.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

If you want to update your software broadly, it's a pain in the ass if you need to try to hold gnome and only gnome back.

And many of those extensions get abandoned after the authors get tired of the treadmill of having to redo stuff they already did.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago

The funniest thing about this is that, according to a Gnome dev, they decided to not create APIs or anything and keep relying on extensions to monkey-patch code into the gnome-shell process to ensure "developer freedom".

It's completely mad. I uninstalled Gnome after it crashed on me multiple times, taking either my work or (once) my game process with it.

On KDE at least IF the shell crashes it doesn't cause all my programs to become unavailable too, I can save whatever I was doing. Its UI/UX is arguably a mess, but at least it god damn works reliably and doesn't come as barren wasteland with missing base features. I would love to love Gnome, but god damn it hell no.

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yes the volunteer software authors should work to the beat of the drum of the baying and braying users who insist on using cutting edge software before its wider ecosystem has adapted to its novelties. A very good point.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

No, either gnome should actually support a lot of these things people are such with extensions for it or at least provide some semblance of compatibility if they are so insistent that extensions are the only way to get some of these customizations.

It's just odd to simultaneously praise extensions as the way for users to get what they want while undermining them every release.

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[–] eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I'm having a great time on GNOME, even without any extensions at all!

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That is sort of the thing with Gnome. If you like it it's great, but if you don't there is nothing you can do to really change it. Like I think it's okay, but there are things I don't like and it is just too much effort to try to adapt it to my preferences.

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago

I've only ever used DEs that aren't gnome. And that wasn't really by choice - it was a workplace. But after hearing about how gnome treats their users... fuck that. I went so far recently as to try to make a nix system that was 100% free of gnome shit and I have actually hard a really difficult time because it has wormed its way into other dependencies.

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