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London’s Metropolitan Police arrested another 492 people over the weekend after a protest Saturday in Trafalgar Square, as the Starmer government accelerated its crackdown on opposition to the Gaza genocide.

The entirely peaceful protest was held to oppose the proscription of Palestine Action. It was organised by Defend Our Juries and attended by over 1,000 people. Of the arrests, 488 were for holding up signs declaring, “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”.

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[–] RandomlyGeneratedName@lemmy.world 89 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

In the end, the problem stems from billionaires. They created the right wing propaganda machine that caused this far right authoritarian rise. They did it recklessly only to increase their own power. Billionaires can no longer exist. Capitalism is failing. We need a new path forward.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

Humanist Capitalism has to come out of the ashes

Unions, cooperatives, and unionized cooperatives no matter what

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 54 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

This is so self defeating... Palestine Action should have never been declared a "terrorist organization" in the same category as Al Qaeda and Daesh. People see right through that and it causes a backlash. Nd the UK government doubling down on the backlash creates even more backlash. I mean anyone can see that at this point that the government has lost the political battle on this one and is just chugging through due to the sunk cost fallacy. This is only paving the way for the Right to do a comeback. Fucking centrist liberals man, god damn.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 12 points 16 hours ago

No of course not, Al Qaeda is our great ally in Syria now, or some completely legit and organic offshoot of said group.

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[–] twinklefruit 31 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

Why do Zionists have so much control outside of Israel?

What the fuck is wrong with the West? Don't tell me /pol/ was right...

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 30 points 15 hours ago

Israel is key to western imperialist ambitions in the Middle East. The relationship between zionists and the west is in the same “too big to fail” category that protected the criminal bankers who left so many destitute in 2008. For capitalism’s true believers, it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

[–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I don't even know if they do, this is possibly/probably just the government repeatedly and gleefully shooting itself in the foot.

Palestine protests themselves aren't criminalised (despite the title), what is however is criminalised is support of the Palestine Action group.

This is because they are a proscribed as a terrorist organisation, after a couple of their members snuck onto a military base and spray painted aircraft.

This is stupid in almost every way you can look at it, it criminalises people who are innocent of everything but carrying a sign or wearing a t-shirt, it makes the government look both cruel and inept and it has (as far as I can tell) been a huge boon to the credibility of Palestine Action resulting in more people joining or at least supporting them. And finally it (makes the government appear to/reveals the government does) support a nation enacting a genocide.

As for why; the aircraft were refusing tankers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A330_MRTT I assume this was done because of rumors that the RAF were refueling IDF planes bombing civilians but last I heard they use incompatible in flight fueling systems.

Various news articles suggest 7m of damage which seems a bit high for spray paint, my guess is that knowing that people with unknown intentions had unsupervised access to military aircraft they demanded the planes on be stripped and re built to check for other sabotage.

The UK terrorism laws are unfortunately defined very broadly and can apply in the case of serious damage to property, not just intent to cause death and injury https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/07/uk-palestine-action-ban-disturbing-misuse-uk-counter-terrorism-legislation

There was also some controversy in that PA were grouped in with organisations which meet the more common definition of terrorism https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/2/uk-lawmakers-vote-to-ban-palestine-action-as-terror-group

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

not tongo full tinfoil, but this is beyond just lobbying.

I'm assuming there's lots of blackmail involved

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

The UK government's reaction is so extreme that Israel having proof of something like child sexual abuse commited top British Labour politicians in the current Government seems likely (remember that from just the tiny slice of info that came out, both Prince Andrew and Mandelson were involved with Epstein).

yhea, because the UK is burning it's democracy to serve a tiny ex colony of theirs.

makes no sense

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Nah, it's the mental illness and catastrophic human problem of religion. These nutcases think their invisible sky daddy is commanding them to do it.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I agree that is definitely a part of the problem. In the United States we see the evangelicals blindly and fiercely supporting Israel because they believe in the apocalypse. The zionists want to bring forth their messiah as well. Bibi believes he has been chosen to bring forth the messiah. A lot of issues here are stemming from and being justified by religion.

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[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You're not tongoing at all imo.

And now that we're on the subject, has anybody ever been as far to go make to do look more like?

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 34 points 18 hours ago

What in the fascist UK fuck.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 101 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

That's a funny looking labour government you got there UK.

How did you guys go from Corbyn to this? Is it so hard to have a labour party leader that doesn't back Israel or Russia?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

A campaign by Israeli-backed British Jewish groups of anti-semitism slanders against Corbyn (so extreme that at one point a Jewish Holocaust Survivor was deemed an anti-semite to get at Corbyn by association) toppled him down from Labour Party leadership, to be replaced by these types, who as soon as they got control of the Labour Party started purging it of people who had voiced Leftwing ideas and support for Corbyn.

Essentially Labour was emptied from the inside and its shell was filled with supporters of a foreign ethno-Fascist regime.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This is a big part one party system of governments tend to fail.

Also indicative of how multi party systems Can fail apparently.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Power Duopolies, such as those found in countries with First Past The Post systems, suffer from similar problems as the Power Monopolies in one party systems, such as how there is a path to power which is entirelly unaccountable to voters, of just taking over one of the Power Duopoly parties from the inside and then let the normal back-and-forth of the duopoly system - since people only ever have 2 options, naturaly the power goes back an forth as people vote for the "lesser" evil that then turns into the "greater" evil so they vote for the other "lesser" evil - bring that party back to power.

Funilly enough, in the UK that seems to have been done to both of the Power Duopoly parties, first to the Tories during the Leave Referendum and after that to the Labour Party when Israel joined with the Liberals (and I don't mean the LibDem Party, I mean Blairites) and even the Tories to overthrow Corbyn (who was openly a defender of the rights of Palestinians) and replaced him with the Liberals who then proceeded to make sure there was nobody left-of-center in that party.

If you look at the US, you see the very same phenomenon transforming the Republicans from a Conservative Party to a Fascist one, as well as how the Democrats have be thoroughly taken over by those serving the interests of Israel and of Billionaires.

I think that the less rigged a country's voting system is for "stability" (read: for making sure only the same handful of big parties has power and they seldom have to do it as part of a cohalition) the more robust it is to this kind of taking over of a large party as an unaccountable way to get power, mainly because more parties have to be taken over and people will migrate more easilly way from a party when it stops representing them (there is no such thing as tactically voting for the "lesser" evil in a Proportional Vote system).

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Great points.

My comment wasn't in reference to FTPT specifically, though I suppose the UK uses FPTP in voting for party leadership?

And im guessing this doesn't happen so much in other countries that don't use FPTP?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

In my own experience, if all the voting systems rigged to benefit size, there is a broader phenomenon of larger parties existing which which are usually in power (though often in cohalitions) and which attract the kind of people with no scruples who go into politics to become wealthy from selling access to power (i.e. the corrupt).

However in the two other countries I lived in beyond the UK, one of which had Proportional Vote and the other Multi-representative Electoral Circles (so, not as bad as FPTP, but still Mathematically rigged), I have not seen a case of the larger parties being obviously taken over as means to get to power like I saw in the UK, though I've seen smaller parties being created and/or supported by foreign money and then eating up some of the vote of the large parties.

Certainly were I am now - Portugal, which has Multi-representative Electoral Circles - of the two new Far-Right parties which were created not that long ago, one of which for sure got money from the Fascists in Brasil and the other also likely had funding from abroad (the campaign phamplets and other materials in their very first elections were both far too expensive for a small party and using the kind of design and slogan style one finds in International Marketing campaigns in huge contrast with other small parties), probably American (they're an ultra-neoliberal party created a couple of years after Steven Bannon came to Europe with money he openly said was to fund far-right parties), though there I don't know for certain. Both of those parties are taking votes away from the large rightwing party but also partialy from all the way into the leftwing (the more Fascist of the two is even picking traditional working class votes that used to go into a Communist Party)

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[–] Small_Quasar@lemmy.world 65 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

Starmer is terrified of Reform. So he's taken the really smart stance of pulling Labour to the right to court a demographic that would never vote Labour anyway, and in the meantime utterly piss off his core base.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, it's very sad since I think people are more willing to vote Labour if they were just better. Now their voter base is more likely to stay at home instead of going to the voting booth. Weird move by Starmer since he was in the march against the Iraq war himself.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 24 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This almost always fails and only ends up moving the country average to right and make extreme right seem more mild.

Also I don't think right wing voters have that strong an opinion on Israel. This is more likely zionist lobbies pulling some of Starmer's strings.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Controlled opposition, doing what the fascist sociopath pedophile oligarchs paid them to do.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 16 hours ago

He's been do that for years. Hell labour advisors even managed get Kamala and the dnc to to harder right

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[–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 21 points 18 hours ago

V for Vendetta is starting to look more like prophecy than fiction...

[–] verdi@feddit.org 67 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

90% chance the mossad has a bunch of videos of Starmer and his cabinet diddling kids, or engaging in animality with pigs, whatever is the depravity du jour was in his heyday.

Meanwhile the nazis march against london with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon at the helm. 0 actual enforcement. The funniest part is Yaxley-Lennon was invited by an israeli minister to visit Israel...

Can you imagine travelling back to 1943 and telling people in the camps that their sacrifice would be the fertilizer of a new wave of the same ideological poison that deprived them of dignity and life. This is just heartbreaking... What's even the point of resisting anymore?

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 15 hours ago

Resisting tyranny is how everything good in the world is possible. The way to have lives worth living is to defeat tyrants and their ideologies. We defeated the Nazis but not fascism. Now we have to defeat the ideological descendants of the Nazis.

If we don't defeat fascism, neoliberalism, and capitalism now the turn around time for the next fascist movement will be measured in years not decades. We have seen as much with the Biden administration. They failed to meaningfully hold Trump and MAGA to account for the insurrection or fundamentally fix the underling systemic issues that they are symptoms of and now we are living under fascist rule.

We don't have dignified lives or liberal democracies to go back to. The way to get something better is with socialist democracies where workers own corporations and the political process. Until then it's liberty or death. We benefited from a free democracy. If anyone is to enjoy that again we must resist now and until we are all free.

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