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[-] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

I hope Jefferies Tube Chakotay becomes a trend.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You just reminded me of Jeffry Toobin and I hate you for that lol.

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

On the bridge of the USS Voyager:

Janeway: What are you... Is he?

Jeffry, you're still on the viewscreen, we can see you.

JEFFRY YOU HAVE TO END THE TRANSMISSION!

God dammit he turned off his own screen...

...

... Kim, load torpedo.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago
[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago
[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Looking at it another way, this is the result of the market pricing people out of normal conversation

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

The free marketplace of ideas strikes again.

[-] Juice@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

What's the theory justification for "landlords are cops?" Fuck cops and fuck landlords but what is the connection?

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

To elaborate on what @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net said, as a landlord they must collect rent. That is inherently an extractive and exploitative relationship and they can only extract rent with the implicit threat of violent removal from your home if you do not pay it. And the arm of the state with the monopoly on said violence is the police, ergo landlords are cops.

[-] Juice@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

Sorry I still don't get it. Cops embody the violent coercion that is needed to enforce contracts and laws. Laws determine how contracts are made and what penalties for breaking them. Contracts are a legal confabulation that serve several functions, probably most relevant is they are the mechanisms that makes property ownership possible, such as land. Landlords have the personal property "rights" as outlined in property law and defined by the contract. Cops enforce the laws and contracts with violence.

Cops can only be landlords if they own property and collect rents. Landlords don't have the ability to use violence to enforce their property rights, they have to call the cops. They both occupy this weird class middle zone that is neither bourgeoisie nor worker: collecting rents doesn't necessarily make one a capitalist, land isn't really strictly capital; cops aren't proletarian workers though at one time they may have been working class with nothing to sell but their labor. Both are crucial to underwriting liberal private property relations which is the basis for capitalist exploitation and the class rule that emanates from it. But landlords have a completely different relation to production than cops, so they don't occupy the same class position.

I'm not debating and I'll read or watch anything recommended to me. I'm also mostly interested in specific and correct formulations of class, I study a lot and have high standards. If this is one of those things that is more agitational than strictly correct, I can live with that but if there is a critical formulation that I'm missing, or if this is a paradigm that other leftists are using to help formulate their views then I would very much like to understand

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Sorry I am at work I'll give you something meatier when I get home.

[-] Juice@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

Take your time! I appreciate your willingness

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Okay so what are cops?

Are cops just the ones on the beat, in uniform, harassing the unhoused, killing protestors or just innocent people caught in the gears of capital? I think most of us would say no, obviously not. There are also detectives and all manner of plain clothes officers, but there are also all the prosecutors, the judges, the DAs etc.

These are all surely also cops, right? After all, we call her Kopmala for a reason. So what about landlords then? Do they not slot neatly into this power structure? Are they not just a half step removed from that legitimized arm of violence that is the state enforcing property rights?

Can your landlord inspect your home? Can they decide on a whim to utilize that violent arm of the state to kick you out on the street if they feel that you are not adequately maintaining - or even better, improving - the value of their property?

In all of these ways the landlord is more of a cop than the DA or the judge.

Not all cops wear badges or uniforms.

[-] Juice@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

I guess I don't totally agree with calling everyone that exists within that weird administrative class "cops," but it isn't a critical disagreement. I get what you mean though, thanks for the explainer

[-] HairHeel@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is the internet. Everything we dislike is the same. Landlords are cops, Nazis, Russians, Israelis, authoritarians, libertarians, racists, homophobes, and transphobes; all at the same time.

[-] Juice@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Fair enough!

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

I don't dislike Russians. I am also curious of your definition of "authoritarian." I am pro-liberation and pro-revolution, both things which would require a change in authority, either the colonized or the otherwise oppressed exerting their "authority" over their oppressors. Revolutions are by nature authoritarian. Also most of those things should be reviled and are not contradictory.

[-] dejected_warp_core@startrek.website 7 points 11 months ago

Don't know where that comes from, but I think it has to do with the institutionalized authoritative power that comes with the job. Both are positions that can be abused, and can negatively impact people's lives.

On the other hand, my past landlords were nowhere near as helpful about noise complaints, as the police. So there's that.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Not just positions that can be abused, but positions that are fundamentally abusive no matter how good the individual occupying them may be

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I almost got evicted over a bogus noise complaint. You are basically illustrating the point of the meme.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

I see many of you all over Lemmy

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