I feel like the zionists are trying to get ready for a war with Iran and they think making the fighting stop in Gaza will free up resources.
this post was submitted on 09 Oct 2025
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Hope for Palestinians finally being able to go to sleep without having to worry about being massacred? Indispensable. But as many keep pointing out, neither rules nor international law mean anything to the Zionist entity, so there's no knowing if this will just turn out to be all smoke and mirrors.
...and this is not on Palestinian terms, but entirely on imperialist terms aimed at their advantage. Surprise surprise. The US, its lapdogs, the UK and regional comprador states (Egypt, Jordan, Gulf states), and the Zionist entity aim for it to be managed like a colonial territory where Palestinians are being managed akin to past Western colonized territories, and they'd love to turn Gaza into a tax haven and money-laundering hub for billionaire war profiteering capitalists. An Eastern Mediterranean Monaco, if you will.
Thoughts on this ?
— Important note on the hostages:
Some people keep saying that Hamas should not release all the Israeli hostages because it's their 'last leverage' against Israel.
What good has this 'leverage' done for Gaza in the past few months? Has Israel held back from committing genocide and massacring the Palestinians? No. Not at all.
In fact, the hostages are currently only being used as an excuse for Israel to keep bombing Gaza and commit further massacres in the name of 'bringing home the hostages'. They have outlived their usefulness for a long time.
If Hamas releases the hostages and Israel still continues the genocide, then the situation won't be 'worse' than before, because the genocide is already happening right now. The situation will be the same as it is now.
The only thing that will be different, is that it will show the world that it was never about the hostages in the first place.
We will find out in the coming days or weeks if the hostages were of any value. It is clear that israel did not give a shit about them apart from those inconsequential protests by the taken's kin. Once the hostages are returned, we can gauge israel's actions to see whether keeping the hostages around served a purpose.
In fact, the hostages are currently only being used as an excuse for Israel to keep bombing Gaza
This is total bs. They would have done what they did either way.
Yes, but used in the public discourse as an argument
Public discourse was calling Palestinians violent terrorists long before October 7th. There is no value in trying to win the hearts and minds of residents of israel's patron states.
Public discourse was calling Palestinians violent terrorists long before October 7th.
This is true. The pro-Zionist media was always going to find ways to justify the genocide one way or another.
There is no value in trying to win the hearts and minds of residents of israel's patron states.
This I don't agree with. Pro-Palestine protests and direct action have played a role in pressuring Western governments.
Sure but don't keep or release hostages for optics for the West. Do it if it is the strategically and morally the right thing to do. I see the anti-war movements as a product of Palestine just being in the right. It was the same in Vietnam where the western anti-war movement was significant but the war came to a halt only when the Vietnamese made continuing the war untenable with their tremendous sacrifice.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.
I don't believe for a second that Israel is doing this with any sincerity. They'll just break the ceasefire and blame Hamas again like they've done every time a ceasefire was announced.
Part of me worries that this is a strategy to get the hostages out and then continue without the pressure from within not to harm the hostages. Who knows though.
“Israel” already wrote off the hostages. I’d be shocked if they stop killing for any reason beyond military force or severe economic pressure.
If Israel has a sincere pressure from the u.s., and listens to its population(, here also,) more than its far-right which doesn't care about lying, then it may not end up like the false ceasefire from january to march.
However, attacks won't cease if there's no two-states implementation, there'd be no reason to.
Also the articles you link are merely about 1. israel not wanting to run the government of Gaza, and 2. Ending the "war" in exchange for the hostages. The plan to ethnically cleanse them or kill every man, woman, and child both have more support among israeli society at 82% and 47% respectively.
If you want to find someone supporting Israel, then don't stay on Lemmygrad, i didn't thought for a second that the comment i posted was pro-israel.
Even if i wanted to defend Israel i wouldn't be allowed to anyway, i wouldn't want to be banned again for stupid reasons, just note that 78% of jewish israelis believe that Israel is trying to avoid civilian deaths, because they're brainwashed by their environment&medias(, to the point of somehow believing to be the victims here), surprise.
If people here oppose collective punishments then be coherent and don't wish it on israelis. Or do, i'm not your mom, end of the discussion for me.
Nah I ain't buying it.
Tl:dr there have been few times in history where an entire country deserves the gulag as much as Israel.
The ethnic cleansing of palestine was massively popular in the apartheid state, you can't try and lie and say that the genocide wasn't actively supported by the vast majority of Israeli society, the only ethnic group that displayed even an iota of hesitation or resistance was the arab jewish population. We are not buying you running cover for the zionists, Mr. liberal zionist. Death to "israel." 
I give it five seconds before Isr*el violates it
So after two years, this seems to be it. I am happy for the Palestinians as they can go to bed without wondering if they'll be alive for the first time in years.
But that it had to come this far is a shame on humanity. Shame on the lack of action from our governments. From all the people that looked away.
Respect to all the comrades who were there, with me, with us all, at the protests and the actions, getting beaten and arrested. To all the people trying to do something about this atrocity.
Whether Israel will follow through on the ceasefire, only time can tell.
Death to Israel as always.
A ceasefire does not solve the root of the problem. This is yet another defeat of native peoples against a settler colonial invader.
Palestinians do not have time for solving the root of the problem. And I would call it a victory that a hostage exchange happened, that the Zionists even had to consider reaching any kind of deal with those they considered beneath their notice or dignity to treat seriously.
It does not solve the problem that is Israel though it (hopefully) solves the problem of indiscriminate bombing and starvation for the Palestinians for now.