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Framework goes full fash, supports Hyprland and Omarchy (awful.systems)

submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by BlueMonday1984@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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In case you haven't heard the news, Framework went and publicly sponsored Hyprland (the most toxic part of Wayland by a country mile) and openly shilled Omarchy multiple times (the pet project of fascist shithead David Heinemeier Hansson) recently.

In response to well-justified backlash against this, founder Nirav Patel responded with FOSSbro platitudes about "[creating] a big tent" for open source".

If you've got any more updates on this self-inflicted shitshow, put them here so they can be collected in one place.

(In retrospect, that AI-pilled Framework Desktop should've been a major red flag they were gonna pull this shit.)

EDIT (2): Found a solid summary of the situation, and a solid teardown of Nirav's actions - recommend checking them out.

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[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 5 points 2 days ago

I have been seeing this on multiple sites nowadays and I don't get it: why do some ogs put their domain in a ref parameter for all outgoung links? like this is the hitching their wagon link: https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975388063070363974?ref=gardinerbryant.com

why does the blog need to share with twitter that I'm coming from this blog?

what's more funny is that I believe this parameter is only useful to track some privacy hardened firefox users, as mosy browsers just send this info in a HTTP header...

[–] x0rcist@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The thread is going very well, someone decided reading was hard and that asking claude was easier

Highlights:

So I asked ChatGPT 5 Thinking, Claude Sonnet 4.5 with Extra Thinking, and Claude Opus 4.1 with Extra Thinking whether the article linked to multiple times provides any hard evidence of DHH being anything implied by the name-calling or by the outright name-calling seen in this thread.

Turns out the machines say there is no such evidence. It’s just an opinion piece.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago

oh, and someone quotes a blog from felipe contreras, an active xfash contributor, as a proof that there's no problem with dhh at all.

how fucking convenient.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago

Shoulda used Grok

[–] cornflake@awful.systems 60 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This reply is worth quoting at length:

With all due respect, I think you profoundly misunderstand the nature of my concern here.

This is not a “I do not like this distribution” kind of argument.

This is a “the people you are sending my money to want me and my friends dead or deported” kind of argument.

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I have no problem with Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Linux Foundation, LVFS, Debian, KDE… What I have a problem is with Framework consistently, repeatedly encouraging and now sponsoring individuals that have shown to be absolutely destructive to the open source community.

Claiming that this “increasing the adoption of open source software” really misses the core part of the narrative here, which is that those people have been excluded from open source communities because they were so hateful, so destructive, that their mere presence was more harmful than beneficial.

DHH is a threat to the free software community as a whole at this point. The damage he ended up doing to the Ruby community might end up outweighing entirely his contributions to Rails, which is no small feat.

Vaxry (from hyprland) was banned from freedesktop.org, wrecking havoc in standardizing Wayland protocols that the whole community could have benefited from.

If you believe helping and sponsoring those people helps the open source community, we have quite divergent views on the best way forward and, perhaps, it is best if you concentrate on making hardware and leave the open source community alone.

In any case, thanks for your quick response, @nrp, and thanks for building those awesome products.

[–] mii@awful.systems 35 points 5 days ago (2 children)

“[I]ncreasing the adoption of open source software” is such a bullshit argument here anyway, holy shit lol.

They’re not sponsoring Asahi Linux or FOSS Nvidia drivers but DHH’s fucking Arch setup and Ratpoison but worse and with rounded corners.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 28 points 5 days ago

“[I]ncreasing the adoption of open source software” is such a bullshit argument here anyway, holy shit lol.

Not to mention, actively welcoming Nazis into the open source bar is gonna achieve the exact goddamn opposite of increasing adoption, by driving away marginalised users, introducing unnecessary security risks, actively rotting communities from the inside, and God-only-knows-what-else.

[–] cdp1337@social.bitsnbytes.dev 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

@mii @cornflake

"We did not realize the ethics of the individuals that were behind these organizations; we're sorry we should have investigated organizations better prior to donating to them. We will better research organizations in the future and we have stopped funding for these two groups".

That. Is that so fucking difficult for them to say?

I've been checking the thread over the last couple days expecting something like that from them, but nope. Nothing yet.

[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

I don't think it's an "oopsie". Their main channels are still on Twitter, and the CEO is now farming compassion from the Twitter fash.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

At this point, I'm gonna stop extending benefit of the doubt - Framework's choice to actively advance fascist interests, and double down when called out, is proof enough for me that they're fascists themselves.

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[–] treeofnik@discuss.online 12 points 4 days ago

I had a pre-order of the next gen framework 16, but have since cancelled... Came back to see if there had been any updates since the first day for forum discussion, disappointing that they are doubling down.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The absolute shitshow that's been some of the most visible open source projects recently just reinforces my thoughts that one cannot establish trust (and therefore support) with any project leads unless they show their political affiliations upfront. The same way we demand to see a Foss license, we should expect to see what kind of person someone is before we use our community support to elevate them in any position of technical authority.

[–] rook@awful.systems 39 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Shoutout to gleam.run whose web page has always (AFAIK) said

Black lives matter. Trans rights are human rights. No nazi bullsh*t.

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[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes this completely sucks. I assume most open source projects are run by leftists of some kind and hate finding out I'm wrong.

I have a framework 13 that I planned to use for years to come.

Really wish they would have at least corrected this shit when it was pointed out to them.

Guess I'm just going to run this thing until it breaks but they won't be getting any more of my money.

[–] net00@lemmy.today 74 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So they need my money to make their tent bigger, and inside that tent they let racists and toxic fuckers in?

Very fortunate that I have not given them a cent.

[–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 33 points 5 days ago

I was so close to ordering a framework 16 the other day, but got a strange feeling in my gut and backed off just before paying. maybe I'll just settle for a used lenovo. it was food poisoning btw.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (17 children)

Is this the same Framework that develops very promising modular and repairable laptops, one of three companies to do so? If so.. Fuck.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Quick update: Nirav is posting through it on Twitter

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm getting a lot of questions already answered by my "before anyone asks I'm pro LGBTQ and pro immigrant" shirt.

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[–] RiceBowl@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Man fuck that. I dont expect a tech company to be great. But I have a 13” and was excited to see these keep getting better. But that response is just bullshit. There are legitimate business reasons aside from all of the many moral ones not to support bullshit reprehensible creators and by doing so publicly connect your company to them. If they can’t even see the dollar signs there… well… fuck em.

Maybe I’ll start quoting the Hyprland fucks in the framework forums and see if that language flies or gets taken down.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (6 children)

What's it with fascists and unintuitive, keyboard-based user interaction? Is this a weird "gatekeeping" thing? Because I remember that in the late 2000's, a lot of Linux forums had "let me google it for you" and pirated copies of Windows XP linked instead of getting an answer to your problem.

[–] self@awful.systems 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

for them it’s absolutely about gatekeeping and control. keyboard interfaces can be cozy, easy to learn, and accessible — that’s what I aim for on my own computer, but I’ve never released the config because I know I’ve got a long way to go for all 3 (and I need to find a better base distro than NixOS).

hyprland is a fucking terrible keyboard interface. here’s the example config file you’re meant to edit before first launch (good luck if you can’t use a non-graphical editor for accessibility reasons I guess). it’s an awful little inflexible domain-specific language (oh joy, back to the pre-xmonad days where everything complex is a shitty hack), most of the file is dedicated to defining a bunch of shitty animations and graphics, and the keybinding system — the point of a keyboard interface — is threadbare. this is designed by someone who cares very much about how their interface looks in a screenshot and not at all about how it feels to use.

and all of the above is on purpose; if you can’t handle the intentionally regressive shittiness of hyprland, they want you to think it’s a skill issue. we know from the receipts that if you ask any of their core community for help, they’ll call you a slur. but even prospective hyprland lovers can’t stand this early-2000s compiz-brained shit, and that’s why they’re all very excited for omarchy, which is just arch linux bundled with DHH’s hyprland config that you can’t change.

the developers of interfaces like hyprland claim to give you more control over your own computer, but hyprland does that very poorly compared with almost any other modern keyboard interface. the actual control they care about is over the ecosystem. hyprland is one of your only choices for a keyboard interface on Wayland; otherwise, you’re stuck with gnome or KDE or something unmaintained (e: I guess there’s sway? none of these options entice me to be honest) that doesn’t work with any applications cause Wayland is a goddamn mess. that’s a position of power in an isolated subculture, and fascists fucking love that.

the hyprland developers were notoriously kicked out of contributing to FreeDesktop for being too toxic and disrupting the Wayland protocol design process (and I can’t imagine how toxic and disruptive you’d have to be to get kicked out of FreeDesktop of all orgs), and their push for popularity and the appearance of having distro support might be an effort to regain control there. Wayland protocols are an almost ideal way to create intentional incompatibilities and network effects. see also xlibre, which is building a weird fucked up ecosystem around itself even though it’s broken and pointless.

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I guess there’s sway? none of these options entice me to be honest

I used to use Sway. I found it tedious to configure several different things via config files. Kanshi in case you plug in a monitor, Waybar, Swaylock^[Also there was a bug that allowed people to bypass your lockscreen by mashing keys. Sort of made me hesitant to try anything Sway again, although I believe the problem has been fixed.], etc. And, I may be misremembering, but you had to edit the Sway config to launch these programs at startup. There was just friction everywhere.

I have been daily-driving COSMIC for about six months and it works pretty well, although there are infrequent crashes (less so since the beta release, I think). I like it as my tiling WM, but also occasional crashes don't affect my workflow too badly.

Wayland protocols are an almost ideal way to create intentional incompatibilities and network effects.

Would you be willing to elaborate or follow up on this? I checked out the core protocol but think I'm way too out of my depth to relate it to what you wrote.

[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

for Wayland, the issue is unfortunately outside of the core protocol. the core protocol doesn’t implement everything you need for a functional desktop, and some of the omissions are utterly obvious things. the ecosystem makes up for that with protocol extensions, but some (all?) of the important ones are proprietary to a particular compositor and considered part of its internal API. also, because Wayland has a frankly pretty broken security model (everything is utterly locked down and as far as I can tell no exceptions are possible via permission modals or any other mechanism), some types of applications are only possible via fragile hacks. gnome has many of these proprietary protocols because Wayland is essentially under the same umbrella and so it has a privileged position; KDE is in a close second. every other compositor has severely reduced functionality.

for more details, see jwz’s recent blog posts where he failed to port xscreensaver to Wayland because some of the utterly basic functionality he needed was compositor-specific. the hyprland wiki’s compatibility page is also relevant because all of those problems tend to be rooted in this too, though I of course don’t recommend trusting them as a source. Asahi Linux also has a ton of issues on their github around hyprland that I believe boil down to protocol issues. unfortunately these issues tend to be hidden from public view because they’re spread out across a hundred rants and a hundred discussions in FreeDesktop’s Wayland protocol committee; a properly formatted Mastodon search might also be informative.

(counting down the seconds until some Wayland dev wanders in and tells me I’m completely wrong about everything because an uncharitable reading of one of the paragraphs above reveals I’m wrong about some minor point and besides what am I saying, everyone should be on xlibre? toxic little fucks)

[–] self@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I collected some mastodon links so you know roughly what to look for:

here’s a game developer unable to do window positioning, multi-monitor, display type detection, hi-DPI… in portable ways on Wayland. window positioning in particular bites game developers hard, and is still unfixed for, gonna be honest, horseshit security reasons.
this entire thread is kind of an excellent summary
screen recording on Wayland sucks, and what’s interesting about that thread is the smug person replying gets it (to my memory) wrong, portals for screen recording are a hack
in fact here’s the post where Ariadne told me I was wrong about portals; it’s also a good starting point if you want to see what protocol discussions look like
here’s one of the jwz threads out of many

in conclusion: how dare I. don’t I know these are just poor, mostly corporate-backed volunteers

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago

Appreciate both responses. Thank you.

Before today I didn't know the difference between a compositor and desktop environment and I thought Wayland was fine. Now Abra and I are very close.

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