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Do you believe Luigi Mangione killed Bryan Johnson? Can he be found guilty with the evidence against him? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) by mistermodal@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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Personally: no & yes. For the latter, a legitimate court of law ought to laugh at this case. But that's not what he is facing.

The subject came up in conversation, so I figured I would take the temperature here.

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[–] Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 50 minutes ago

Luigi himself hasn't made any declaration that clears him from it.

I don't care if he did it or not, I'm looking forward to seeing him walk free because the prosecution are a bunch of idiots. They'll do themselves in and they've nobody to blame but themselves. But I advise Luigi to GTFO from America in Snowden-style before Trump and his crazy administration do try throwing re-trials or rewriting the rules so that Luigi gets like the death penalty.

Luigi will never amount to the many deaths that CEO probably took joy in witnessing, as he made it very sure that people couldn't afford healthcare.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

If he had actually done it I feel like he wouldn't be getting railroaded like he is because they would have real evidence

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago

Has he ever publicly stated he didn't do it? Is he allowed to say that in public? I'd be saying that every time I was in the vicinity of the media, but I'm not very cool.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 hours ago

No it is extremely obvious that Luigi Mangione is innocent and they are trying to frame him. There is no evidence and the case has had many legal errors and tampering.

[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Honestly no, I feel the governments case is pretty thin and there are some serious questions about evidence. Honestly they might not even have the right guy, a masked man in manhattan could be anyone, Luigi really could have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Do you believe Luigi Mangione killed Bryan Johnson?

Do I think he's more likely than not the killer? Yes. Do I think that "beyond a reasonable doubt"? No, BUT I haven't spent as much time studying the facts of the case as I hope each juror has.

Can he be found guilty with the evidence against him?

Of course. With the right frame job, my cat could be found guilty of the murder.

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Don't worry, you're in good company. Most of the people who think he did it never bothered to look at the facts either. I know because if you did, you'd go "wait what the fuck"

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 hours ago

the prosecution bungled the case and the trump doj buried it but to be sure he walks the jury should nullify

[–] juliebean@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 hours ago

he seems pretty blatantly innocent to me. as to whether he'll be found guilty of anything, idk, but i really doubt he'll be able to get a fair trial in this country, so, probably.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I still find it so hard to believe a person at a McDonald's in a different state was able to ID him with the information publicly out there at the time. Putting on my conspiracy cap, I have to imagine that some sort of tracking of him was done that the feds don't want people to know about, or it was something that may be ruled unconstitutional and risk the case against him. If a random person calls in the tip, then there is reasonable suspicion on the local PD part, which would result in questioning and a search.

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

some sort of tracking of him was done that the feds don't want people to know about

That "tracking" is all the work they did to find a suitable fake perp. If they had any real evidence and Luigi did do it, it would've been admitted almost immediately. They have very little to lose.

it was something that may be ruled unconstitutional and risk the case against him

And besides, if that were true and Luigi truly did it, don't you think the current SCOTUS would use this great stroke of luck as a way of undoing some "dangerous" precedent?

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 35 minutes ago

And besides, if that were true and Luigi truly did it, don't you think the current SCOTUS would use this great stroke of luck as a way of undoing some "dangerous" precedent?

If the feds did anything blatantly unconstitutional, then that would be used by the defense to convince the jury he should be acquitted. If he is found not guilty by a jury, it wouldn't go into appeals or to the supreme court because double jeopardy.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

the circumstances of his arrest were indeed kinda weird, but the luigi was framed argument doesn't make much sense to me. they would certainly choose someone more leftist to blame, right?

and with all the cameras and tracking and stuff going on right now, i can't see someone just easily vanishing from the authorities somewhere like ny.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

If your patsy is too good it becomes more suspicious. If they did frame him I am imagine they did their geo fencing and found people who were alone visiting nyc in that time frame and then left and of the people they looked at he was the easiest to frame

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 2 points 7 hours ago

Realistically yes, he did murder. However he is not a criminal in my eye. The CEO was responsible for more deaths that were preventable.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 40 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is usually right. So obviously Bryan Johnson was killed by Charlie Kirk

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Well...

CK did want guns readily accessible. CK did say gun violence deaths were a sacrifice he was willing to make.

Given the fact that Luigi might be pinned for the crime, it's equaly likely that CK truly has had a larger share of responsibility in the killing at hand.

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 56 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I'm skeptical. They couldn't find the shooter. Then they found a bag that looked like his, filled with monopoly money (no weapon). Then somebody at a McDonald's calls because Luigi kinda looks like the guy. Luigi decides to hang out and eat his shitty fast food at a leisurely pace. Cops show up and supposedly find the weapon on him.

I think it's more likely that they found the weapon with the bag, but opted to keep that quiet so they could plant it on whoever they grabbed. If Luigi is the shooter, and he still had the gun when he left NY, then why the fuck wouldn't he have tossed it into a random river along the way? Wasn't it a "ghost gun" that he could easily dispose of and not have traced back to him? Wasn't that the point of it? Isn't that why it would've made sense to leave it with the bag?

The job of the jury is to either find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or let him go free. I have reasonable doubt. I'm not sure what evidence they're gonna reveal that will convince me, but I'm also not gonna be selected for that jury. I just don't believe in ruining the entire life of somebody whose only provable crime was that he enjoyed McDonald's in Altoona.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 47 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It’s also crucial to point out that the chain of custody of “his backpack” was utterly fucked - the cop in question apparently started searching the bag at the McD’s, then just chucked it in her car, drove back to the station, and “continued the search there”. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Combine this with how DESPERATELY they tried to portray him as a super dangerous criminal, as well as how some of the surveillance footage of him is like… kinda obviously not him, and I’m extremely suspicious that he was just a guy who fit the description and they pinned it on him.

But also, even if he actually did it, if I were on the jury, I’d vote to acquit.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 12 hours ago

From the motion filed yesterday by Luigi's lawyers, it seems like this is the avenue they're taking showing reasonable doubt about the events surrounding the search of his backpack.

  1. At 9:54 a.m., Patrolman Detwiler walked out of the McDonald’s to discuss Mr. Mangione’s identification with another officer. During this conversation and without any explanation, Patrolman Detwiler covered his body-worn camera with his hand to prevent the camera from recording twenty seconds of his conversation.

  2. At 9:58 a.m., several officers started searching through Mr. Mangione’s jacket and pockets and searched him again. At the same time, Patrolwoman Christy Wasser and Patrolman Fox began searching through the backpack that law enforcement had placed on a table out of Mr. Mangione’s reach more than 17 minutes earlier.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't the jury take it at face value that the gun was found on him? The other pieces you mentioned are speculation.

[–] moody 21 points 13 hours ago

It's the defence's job to argue that chain of custody was broken and that the evidence is sketchy at best and sow doubt in its validity. The gun was found in his bag, after the initial search, after the cop had brought the bag to the police station. Not on his person at the time of arrest. There's definitely reasonable doubt there. That's a significant piece of evidence that they may be able to paint as unreliable.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 24 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter. Once the legal circus ends, he’ll be executed anyway. The rich want him gone and they don’t have to follow the same rules the rest of us do.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

they would punish anyone for even daring to try shit like this.

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 15 hours ago

Think he's a patsy

Too much piggy incompetence

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

I would say that there's enough doubt about the situation that if I were on the jury, I don't think I could in good conscience find him guilty.

That being said, if the actual trial brought out really good evidence, we'll see how it goes, but from what I've seen on the news? No.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What I believe doesn't matter.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You know you can just not participate. No reason to type out a whole comment you just don't have to comment at all

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works -3 points 12 hours ago

Believing that my belief doesn't matter is no more or less valid than believing that he either did or did not do it.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Probably and yes. From what I have seen there's too much incriminating evidence for it to all be faked without assuming a level of competence from those involved that is very improbable.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

This

Don't get me wrong, ethically this situation becomes very complex, but let's not kid ourselves: the evidence is unfortunately very strong. In fact this is one of the easier cases for the prosecution to try imo.

To prove intent under the statute of Murder 2 in NY they have:

  • a weapon him
  • matching shell casings
  • video evidence
  • cellphone data linking him to a route away from the scene

Cause of death is self-evident.

There is no legal justification applicable here (self defense, ...)

There's also a chance this will get a terrorism enhancement. Supporting evidence would be the targeted nature, the casings and manifesto.

He can go for an insanity plea or extreme emotional disturbance, however this usually goes to the punishment phase and not the trial phase, making this almost irrelevant for the conviction.

The one thing he has going for him is jury nullification. This is legally dubious and usually can and should not be argued, for very legitimate reasons; however the jury can make their decision basically without justification and therefore this is very plausible. The probability is a different question which is hard to answer.

I do not like murder, but I sympathize a lot with him, however especially because of that I also have to keep it realistic and accept that legally the case against him is pretty strong.

TL;DR there's strong evidence against him, and if there's no jury nullification he will most likely be convicted.