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I agree it can get extremist. I'm left in some areas, right in others so I just keep my opinions to myself. I've found generally when I say anything that isn't extreme left I get some nasty comments. It's a shame cos I love balanced and reasonable conversations with people.

It's just tribalism. This is ingrained in us. Our group good. Other group bad. It's survival.

Doesn't make it right. Or logical. Best we can do is check ourselves when we have these thoughts or perform these actions. And to call out others who do it.

Nobody hates leftists like other leftists with a slightly different flavour of leftism. This is by tradition as long as the leftist discourse has been up. Plenty of people find it unthinkable with nuances or compromises even for communal goals that would benefit everybody.

Add to this that social media is inherently toxic and anonymity brings out the absolute worst in many people to spew hate for slight differences in opinion.

It's too bad but I'd recommend you to not get caught up in it and don't let it get to you. People are people and the chances that they will change in any foreseeable future are small. Keep doing what you think is positive and constructive and don't let others make you disappointed.

Might be worth looking at the behaviour of so called leftists on Lemmy.

Many of them openly support and cheer for russia's invasion of Ukraine and support summary killing of Ukrainians ("summary executions in Bucha [and beyond] is a BIA conspiracy!!!" is not a serious statement), openly state that Ukraine does not have the right to self-determination and generally support the extermination of Ukrainian culture, language and identity.

I am from Ukraine, from Donbas (Lugansk) no less. What sort of reaction do you expect when you see alleged leftists cheers for the total occupation of Lugansk by the Russians with BS like "Lugansk is free of da Nasizzz !1!1!".

Or what about Jeromy Corbyn fanboys denying Corbyn's open support for russian genocidal imperialism (keep in mind these type of things get reported in Ukrainian media)? The fucker literally worked for Russia Today (which is managed by russian intel) and cheered the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

As far as I am concerned, I hope all tankies meet the same fate as "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley.

Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

Is this an unreasonable reaction to disgusting tankies? What reaction do you expect?

In my experience, we don't have quite that many leftists trying to rile each other up. What often happens is that some people want to character assassinate some others due to previous dislikes or because they oppose one of their core beliefs, so they try to blow up any "impurities" they can find in order to turn people against them. You can see it with people who get short term bans from leftist places and then get into year-long grudges.

Generally I would suggest people start ignoring people who constantly post and try to stir up drama about whole instances or specific subgroups of lemmy users. For example, I dislike intensely, like threads.net, hilariouschaos and lemmygrad and yet you don't see me constantly opening drama threads about them.There's some caveats in this statement, but it by and large, it applies imho.

I can say so much fked up shit on tiktok and it gets appealed, anything leftest/liberal gets auto removed with no appeal

Right wingers will be like, "Well he's racist but we agree on taxes and the gays so he's all right with me."

Left wingers will be like, "We disagree on one of the 100 most important issues to me, therefore you are my enemy!"

There's a lot of people out there whose goal is to feel morally superior, rather than change the world in any way.
They tend to congregate at the extremes both left and right. Anywhere when they can loudly judge and exclude others.

I'm not a fan of the infighting either. It's a very online kind of tribalism. I'm pretty active in anarchist organizing where I live and routinely have people from all sorts of tendencies showing up to help out without it devolving into a struggle session over factional infighting from a hundred years ago.

Just from the time I've spent here it seems like it's specifically the people occupying the centrist liberal positions who are most invested in fostering a culture of leftist infighting

Hey, I don't speak for anyone here, but this isn't a problem. Decentralization is a means to an end, not a desirable state in and of itself. Federated networks being separate from each other is fine. I feel this has been a critical misunderstanding among advocates of open source social media.

Honestly, best experiences I have had on ActivityPub were replacements for a group chat of 40-200 persons, not an attempted replacement for Twitter. (Also crucially not on a Mastodon fork but stuff like Akkoma.)

Since this app is clearly for some people a replacement for the general mechanics of websites like Stack Overflow, HN, and Reddit, and for other people meant to be a direct fork of specific Reddit communities, it makes sense to me that the networks would diverge completely, though it seems it hasn't happened yet.

What really kept me from using Lemmy is the poor integration with Mastodon. It's not a UI thing. Mbin and Kbin were a step in the wrong direction by furthrt splitting the UI between two types of posts that are the same under the hood

Libs and tankies are both right-wingers masquerading as left. So they're constantly locking horns over whose empire is better, whose glorious leader is more righteous, whose genocide (ukr/pal) is more the fault of the victims, etc. It's as simple as this: