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[–] taygaloocat@leminal.space 102 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The Internet has made people too easy to divide and conquer

[–] dublet@lemmy.world 70 points 6 days ago

I'm suddenly reminded of this quote:

“Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.”

-- Douglas Adams in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

[–] xkbx@startrek.website 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Phhh that’s exactly the kind of behaviour I’d expect with a user from leminal.space!

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Bahh! Bloody Trekkies stirring the pot as usual, go back to your Spock Base and phase some Vulconions!

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

Yep. Creating division amongst the common class, so they fight each other, instead of those in power who are the real criminals.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The only reason we have 5 day work weeks, 8 hour workdays, overtime pay, benefits, workplace health/safety/environmental regulations, unions, health care, paid time off, vacations, etc. is because our grandfathers and great-grandfathers busted heads, and got their own heads busted, fighting corporate goons in the streets - and WINNING!

Those heroic workers would be ashamed at what their grandchildren have let the Sociopathic Oligarchs have done to America. They fought hard to keep those psychopaths under control, and we not only let them up, we helped them take full power.

[–] NotACIAPlant@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

grandfathers busted heads, and got their own heads busted, fighting corporate goons in the streets - and WINNING!

No one won anything. The massive militant strike actions in the USA in the early 20th century usually were losses. Wins tended to be pyrrhic, with the company cleaning house a couple months later or simply reversing the won benefits.

Things were brought to a head by the depression. The solution was simple, the most militant leaders were arrested, reforms were done to buy off the less militant, and the anger was channeled into marching all of us off to war (with the support of the non-militant collaborationist unions, of course).

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Except that in the end, we still have the 8 hour workday/ 40 hour work week, overtime, benefits, etc. None of those things existed before the labor riots, so things didn't get rolled back as much as you claim, and the most important ones stuck permanently.

The Labor Riots were extremely successful, and completely reconfigured the American workplace for the rest of the century, and beyond. MAGA wants to revert to the old days.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yup. Poor MAGA thinks they'll get 2 hour work weeks if they went back to the good old days.

The truth is that they whites will all be working the fields again without holiday, cheap medical aid, and so on.

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 61 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Why is this yellowed like it's been in a smokers house for the last 15 years?

[–] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 30 points 5 days ago

Someone spilled water on their phone and now the meme is moldy

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Arello@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 days ago

Sepia tone is the JPG artifacts of the past

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[–] Clairvoidance@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Violence isn't the answer!

The answer is.. checks history book

wait not that one.. starts flipping pages

uhh if you hang on a second uhh furious page-flipping

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Has this been aged? Lol looks like sepia

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, because it's long been true and people didn't fucking listen. Now my country doesn't even really have liberal democracy, and people are still himing and hawing about disruption being bad and lawbreaking being bad

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 6 days ago

I was just trying to make a pithy joke about the discoloring

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's just UV damage from exposure, nbd.

[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 5 points 5 days ago

People really need to stop leaving their memes out in the sun.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is literally every country.

"OUR REVOLUTIONARIES WERE HEROES"

But also: "Don't y'all even dare thinking about overthrowing the current system. Violence Baaad!"

[–] zululove@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago

Woe to the vanquished !!

the names of our heros, and our defiers, will last forever !!

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 41 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

Are USians not still working 10 hours day/6 days a week? The USA are usually near the top of the "time worked per week" OECD rankings.

Also, interesting how the poster and first replier have the same avatar. Is that a historical figure?

The desperation and work culture of believing we can just slave away into success are what keeps people from rocking the boat. Faith in being able to win the game is how we got here.

[–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 6 days ago

It looks to me like the top post is a screenshot of Twitter, and the two below are on Tumblr. I think they were just sharing their own post. But I don't use either site, so I can't be sure.

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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think it’s worth pointing out that calling these riots isn’t really appropriate. When we think of riots, we think of unfocused, unplanned, unmanaged, etc. Highly organized protests sometimes wind up turning into riots because capitalists use violence, but it’s not the norm.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The State only respects power. If a group of people show that they have more power than the State, change can happen. However, what is power?

Power comes in many different forms.

There is economic power which is showcased through strikes and boycotts.
There is democratic power which is showcased through the ballot box.
There is soft power which is showcased through the lobbying, and speeches.
There is non-violet power which is showcased through protests, marches, and sit ins.
There is violent power which is showcased through physical violence such riots.

While, the populace has access to many different forms of power. The State is limited to either soft power or violent power. Depending on the State, soft power might not even be contemplated.

Riots are just one form of power for the populace to exercise.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The most sociopatic "winners" of the current system will always laud whatever was done to establish the system in which they get so much and decry anything that might overthrow or even meaningfully change that system.

Those who have a more empathic view of things, even when they too are considered "winners", have a different posture if they think the current system isn't working well for most people because they don't think only about personal upside maximization at any cost for the rest.

As it so happens, caring for more than just "me, me, me" is what distinguishes leftwingers from rightwingers.

So this is a great way to spot fake leftwingers in or seeking positions of power and wealth: no matter how "progressive" their words are in general, when it comes to the current system they'll display exactly this kind of hypocrisy of being against any kind of actions that will change the current system whilst lauding the very same kind of actions when they installed the current system, since their one true drive is "What's in it for me", a rightwinger's motivation.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Remember to thank your local anarchist for the 8 hour work day.

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[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

did you find this post in a bottle on the beach

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Violence is the only answer, and until youre ready for that nothing will change. Extreme violence is the only answer.

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[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 days ago

Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Funnily enough there's a very similar situation to the US that's going on in Serbia, where a canopy falling and killing a bunch of people due to government cheapening out led to lots of outrage and exploded into a massive student movement against the president due to corruption, election rigging, suppression of dissent and executive branch abuse.

At first, they did peaceful protests, blocked roads and all that jazz constantly, but after seeing that it had led them literally nowhere (they got nothing except for a fake concession that was some minister resigning) except on getting arrested and beaten up in jails, they decided to give a green light to civil disobedience, violence, trashing ruling party's headquarters all over the country.

What did this escalation result in? A whole load of nothing except cracked skulls, mostly for the students.

If you're looking at reformism 'fixing' things during the course of history, civil disobedience the vast majority if not all of the time was noise. What eventually got implemented or changed wasn't because the ruling class got scared, but because they were either getting major gains in terms of compromise as a result of the reform, or the reform itself was beneficial to their interests and only a small minority didn't want them to pass.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

If you’re looking at reformism ‘fixing’ things during the course of history, civil disobedience the vast majority if not all of the time was noise. What eventually got implemented or changed wasn’t because the ruling class got scared, but because they were either getting major gains in terms of compromise as a result of the reform, or the reform itself was beneficial to their interests and only a small minority didn’t want them to pass.

So, in your opinion the woman's suffrage movement, or LGBTQ activism, for example, were just wastes of time? These people didn't need to do or say anything since the bourgeoisie were about to give them everything they wanted anyway?

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[–] danielton1@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Funny how it's getting harder and harder to find a job in the US that isn't 10-12 hours a day, six days a week.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This state of affairs is not especially surprising -- if it were the popular belief that violence is justified to change society in some particular way, then society would already be changed in that way. Just like how no stock on the market can be widely seen as undervalued.

This is why class consciousness is important.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's also why it's vital to meet people where they are. Propaganda that works often begins not with big ideas but targeting emotions and one's perception of their everyday life, and if you aren't engaging in propaganda then your opponent who is is defining the narrative unopposed

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