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[-] ibk@lemm.ee 60 points 1 year ago

In case anyone is curious if this would work, LTT tried it: https://youtu.be/minxwFqinpw

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 89 points 1 year ago

spoilers for how it works in the video:


Sadly it just crashes immediately because Google has measures in place to prevent this behavior, and the rest of the video is an ELI5 on swap space.

[-] rikudou 41 points 1 year ago

Thanks! I hate watching a whole video for something that could be a paragraph at most.

[-] average650@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

To be fair, the video covers a lot more than just that answer.

[-] rikudou 17 points 1 year ago

Very much possible, but I'm aware of what swap is and how does it work. That's my problem with videos in general - if it was an article, I can easily skim through the parts I know and read only parts that interest me.

[-] average650@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I totally understand. Articles are much better at actually finding information. Videos are more entertaining though. There's nothing in that video that really couldn't have been in an article.

[-] Flicsmo@rammy.site 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you! I was curious but not ten-minute-video curious. I wonder if there are other cloud providers without preventative measures measures in place.

[-] ThiccFurLizzy@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

The video also explains why it doesn't really work; the latency is so large, the system is better off getting the files from local storage.

[-] Flicsmo@rammy.site 4 points 1 year ago

I kind of assumed that haha, this wouldn't be something you'd do for practical purposes. Still fun though!

[-] zosu@vlemmy.net 40 points 1 year ago

yeah, leak all swapped data into their cloud * shiver *

[-] yote_zip@pawb.social 27 points 1 year ago

You're right, we should add an encryption step as well!

Furiously sets up a LUKS swap partition on Google Drive

[-] Monologue@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago

this hurts my brain

[-] jrandiny@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

My ISP: what a wonderful thing you have there. I will definitely not charge you an arm and a leg for the bandwidth

[-] pztrn@bin.pztrn.online 14 points 1 year ago

Will kind-of-work for users with gigabit+ links, actually.

[-] average650@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

It really doesn't ...the latency is sooo bad

[-] pztrn@bin.pztrn.online 6 points 1 year ago

That's why "kind-of-work".

[-] JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Like speaking third most Italian.

[-] pztrn@bin.pztrn.online 5 points 1 year ago

If it quacks, walks like a duck and looks like a duck - then it is a duck.

If it mounts like swap and you can use it as swap - then it is a swap space.

[-] tal@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I vaguely recall that Linux has support for multiple tiers of paging space, with you able to assign priority.

googles

Yeah, swapon has a -p parameter`.

https://linux.die.net/man/8/swapon

-p, --priority priority
    Specify the priority of the swap device. priority is a value between 0 and 32767. Higher numbers indicate higher priority. See swapon(2) for a full description of swap priorities. Add pri=value to the option field of /etc/fstab for use with swapon -a.

So you shovel the priority below your local paging space, might be okay for some workloads.

I dunno if there's any system to predictively migrate data between tiers of paging space, though. If it only pulls into main memory from low-priority paging space and does so a page at a time, that's gonna be painful.

Also, this definitely increases the security risks associated with having sensitive material being paged out beyond the usual "someone might get your laptop and look at the paging space when it's off if the paging space isn't encrypted and you're using software that doesn't lock security-critical data in memory" stuff.

[-] rikudou 4 points 1 year ago

Not at all, it's way too slow.

[-] cynetri@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

is that a whole petabyte of swap???

[-] skomposzczet@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

That's one way of making your temp memory even slower.

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

could the filesystem driver get evicted to swap?

[-] deadcream@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Nope, it's always in memory (while module is loaded).

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

could the filesystem driver get evicted to swap?

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