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submitted 10 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

Japanese disaster prevention X account can’t post anymore after hitting API limit - The issue has arisen after major Tsunami warnings have been issued in areas of Japan following a strong earthquake::undefined

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[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 353 points 10 months ago

Why governments would ever use a private service for critical use baffles me.

Create your own emergency notification system!

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 267 points 10 months ago

They have one, but you also want information to be where people are. Especially if where people are is full of misinformation and rumours.

[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 113 points 10 months ago

Japan has various earthquake notification systems. Tweets are just one more way to get the information to the people on a platform they use.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

Create your own emergency notification system!

Those never turn out well.

Running their own mastodon instance should be viable though.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I remember seeing that they did have a fediverse account? This seems related to that

Yup see here:

https://lemmy.ca/post/3167523

It's also in the article linked above:

Luckily, the creators of the NERV App, Gehirn Inc, have created an app-based alternative for users to get information in real-time, as well as running a Mastodon account.

[-] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

The Los Angeles/ California earthquake alert system worked just fine today.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Cell phones already have the emergency alert system they could just use that.

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 243 points 10 months ago

This is reason #856632 that you don't put vital government services on fucking Twitter.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 63 points 10 months ago

Reminds me of Canada's emergency alert system.

A custody mixup happens a 5 hour drive away with the child last seen an hour ago? Top priority notification to every device capable of receiving SMS. And then a second one in French. And then a third one because they forgot to give any details about who or what to look for. And then a fourth one in French. And then a fifth one because they settled the mix-up. And then a sixth one in French.

Again, they are IMPOSSIBLE to turn off through general device settings because they're sent at the presidential level (aka. "nuclear launch detected"-level threat).

But an active shooter is going on a killing spree dressed as an officer? Better hope you've liked and subscribed to the right police association on Twitter! Because only one of them sent out anything, and nobody sent out an emergency notification at any level.

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[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

There are government text messages and local websites and all sorts of ways of reaching people. Unfortunately, X probably reaches ten times as many people. I think a diversified approach makes sense.

That being said, us gov has sent the text messages and that seems to be the best way to do it. Everyone has a phone. And if you don't, then you like to live on the edge.

[-] erwan@lemmy.ml 31 points 10 months ago

All cell phones connected to a Japanese network received a notification regardless of their carrier, brand or what apps they installed.

This is already way better than whatever reach X provides.

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Yeah, and kinda renders this thread and article pointless. X serves a redundant feature. Who cares if they treated a government like any other paying customer (like shit)? Bashing X is trendy and this article is just another one. I say this never having had Twitter, nor X, and I just don't care. I also don't own any MuskBrands™ stock or anything.

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 41 points 10 months ago

Or any other service, that like Twitter, is a closed for profit service of a multinational for profit corporations.

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[-] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 140 points 10 months ago

It's almost like trying to run the world on social media was a shit tier idea.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 19 points 10 months ago

It was a good way to offload responsibility for something actually working.

With social media the unreliability card has been played (by us, asocial nerds, killjoys and neckbeards) and beaten (by them, normal sane social successful people) 10+ years ago, so even when it's a serious role being discussed, that card can't be played again.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 130 points 10 months ago

How about avoiding commercial platforms when it comes to vitally important official communication?

[-] dmalteseknight@programming.dev 24 points 10 months ago

They do, all phones get an emergency alert and tvs display a message. Twitter was another vector to spread the word out.

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[-] e_mc2@feddit.nl 19 points 10 months ago

Problem is that no noncommercial platform would ever have the same coverage as a commercial one like X. People simply would not see the necessity to install it until it's too late.

[-] solomon42069@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is just a failure in government/governance.

There is literally an opportunity for every nation in the world to run it's own social media service as a hub for government services, alerts etc. If a couple of them did it open source it could be a world standard for government. Even now the wealthiest nations are scrambling to do something like this but it's too little, too late.

And even when they figure out software/process there's no government infrastructure that can compete with the private sector. Amazon in particular are a scary one to me - the amount of sensitive data governments around the world casually chuck into S3 is going to end very badly for a lot of people.

We need governments to get serious about digital infrastructure and security, in the same way they ensure food security, sanitation. Digital capability is just not negotiable anymore, it's vital.

[-] First@programming.dev 14 points 10 months ago

Android & IOS have an emergency alert system that the government can use if they want to.

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[-] Sniatch@lemmy.world 98 points 10 months ago

NERV already has a Mastodon server.

https://unnerv.jp/@UN_NERV

They already announced last year that they want to move away from Twitter.

https://unseen-japan.com/nerv-app-x-twitter-leaving/

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[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago

Letting people senselessly get injured or die seems to be a common theme in Elon's ventures, so I'm not all that surprised about this.

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago

I feel like this is warranted:

Fuck Elon.

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[-] MasterInu@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

Twitter was useless but X is just a vanity project at this point

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

It definitely makes headlines worse anyway

[-] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

Just say twitter. Calling it "x" will literally always be silly and cumbersome.

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[-] silvercove@lemdro.id 38 points 10 months ago

Why is a critical service like disaster precention using an unreliable service like Twitter?

[-] arc@lemm.ee 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's probably one of numerous ways they try and reach people. Wouldn't be surprised if they have it set up to spam alerts out through various mechanisms including social media. It's just that one platform is now complete dogshit. Maybe this failure will hasten Twitter's decline in Japan.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 10 months ago

Why not? Wouldn’t you want information going out on every available service? They likely have info going out on Facebook as well.

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[-] krees@masto.skylinehub.live 31 points 10 months ago

@L4s Just FYI the NERV app mentioned on the article is not government official. (Althought I believe it uses government oficial APIs for earthquake detection)

[-] ryo@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 10 months ago

That’s a bot account BTW. There’s a flag next to the name to indicate that but I guess it’s not visible on mastodon.

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[-] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

But the town square!!!!!111

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[-] BarterClub@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago

Time to switch to mastodon.

[-] iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago

Did you even bother to read the article?

Luckily, the creators of the NERV App, Gehirn Inc, have created an app-based alternative for users to get information in real-time, as well as running a Mastodon account

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[-] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 10 months ago

Mastodon is a thing and they will own their instance.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Doesn't help if people don't use it.
That said, they should definitely stop using the thing formerly known as Twitter.
Use news outlets, public radio and TV and SMS alerts, those are "correct" ways of handling such situations, social media is not.

[-] feannag@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Shouldn't they use every means in their disposal? I know for myself I don't watch OTA or cable news, and I don't listen to public radio. Sure, SMS alerts are great, but the more widespread the messaging, the better.

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[-] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Society if people read the article:
1000000110

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

I read the title. Had some thoughts and opinions. After reading the article, the thoughts and opinions remain the same.

The article lists prices for next level api requests but it's 5000 dollars compared to the 100 that the non profit is already paying. They encouraged users to download their app to receive potentially life saving alerts.

I summed up the article in three sentences.

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[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

NERV announcements got blocked? I guess he's not getting in the robot after all

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

If only there was some sort of legal agreement that should and could be reached when the govt wants to use some private platform to communicate something important to people. If only.

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