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[-] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 1 year ago

I don't know how the government will be able to effectively ban E2EE and honestly I want to see them try

[-] Neato@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago

100%? Impossible. But they can effectively ban it.

Pass a law that makes any US company, or company doing business in the US, not allowed to host E2EE-enabled apps. This now bans them from the App Store and Play Store. 99% of users won't find or choose to side-load for android users. Then they can make E2EE actually illegal to distribute in the US. They'll almost never bother going after individuals, but this effectively makes hosting a US-based website unable to distribute E2EE programs. So people will need to use foreign sites. Which the US can force ISPs to block via a whack-a-mole on individual sites.

This isn't very likely, but hell Congress was decently close to banning TikTok for no real reason so who knows?

[-] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago

It seems like the great firewall in china, really scary times for the freedom of the web

[-] JPAKx4@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

More like the midly warm pot, as vpns will still be legal

[-] aircooledJenkins@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

https://mashable.com/article/montana-tiktok-ban-what-to-know

Montana's GOP didn't get the memo that it's a stupid idea.

[-] darcy@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 year ago

its like banning math

[-] Dasnap@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Tories are just trying to kick up as much shit as possible before they're kicked out so they can blame the next party for the fallout.

[-] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

Seems like something politicians who have not touched a computer would try to pass

[-] Thisisforfun@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

You really think things will be different if you're under a different colored heel? 🤣

[-] redditcandoone@sopuli.xyz 84 points 1 year ago
[-] odium@programming.dev 90 points 1 year ago

Cloudflare has human checks before you can access some sites. Some apps and screenreaders no longer work with those sites.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 68 points 1 year ago

They're all uppity that to use cloudflare proxy they have to terminate the ssl connection there. So technically cloudflare can sniff all the traffic. But that's kind of the point of WAFs and Reverse Proxies.

I would argue that the sheer amount of data throughput that Cloudflare has, you'd have to really be on a list to be monitored... and they certainly cannot just log all data willy nilly.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 34 points 1 year ago

I suppose this one is quite simple. How can they cache, if they don't MitM the connection? I don't think it would be technically possible. If you want the cache/CDN you just need to use a company you trust. If you don't trust them then you don't get the cache/CDN.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 22 points 1 year ago

Correct. But people are viewing the DDOS protection, Cache, WAF, etc... functions as evidence that Cloudflare is obviously malicious and storing 100% of all data traversing them.

I've seen no evidence of that yet, and will certainly discontinue use of them if they show such tendencies. Until then, I will absolutely leverage their platform for my use as a paying customer.

I do understand the fear with their free platform though... They've gotta make money somehow, and I feel there's probably a fear that is data collection.

[-] w00t@lemy.lol 19 points 1 year ago

No high-profile cases yet, but some people are already concerned: https://crimeflare.eu.org/

[-] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Doesn't load, maybe they need Cloudflare lol (i'm joking don't send me to internet hell) Wayback doesn't seem to work with it either

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I might be missing something but the document seems to be comparing Cloudflare to the great firewall of China and calling them criminal because of things they could potentially do?

[-] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It would help if that site wouldn't look like it was written by some crazy person trying to make a shitpost...

[-] Brimos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Site appears to be down. What is this for?

[-] Larvitar@kbin.social 84 points 1 year ago

Guess I'll just have to touch grass.

Google, try pulling data from me being at the park when my phone gets left at home!

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
Facial recognition go brrr
[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago

Amazon Ring cameras: Hello

[-] Segnis@beehaw.org 65 points 1 year ago

casual massive cock and nutsack in a post not marked as nsfw

[-] SlowNoPoPo@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

If your cock looks like that call a doctor

[-] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 31 points 1 year ago

What about a fully encrypted peer to peer web?

[-] numlok@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago
[-] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah I cheer on this one!

On the other hand I got a different protocol (& implementation up and running) that can be used right away. It's like IPFS but easy to "install" (a double click and a port forward is all that's needed), you are also in control of your data and of course you can change the data without changing the link.

Don't get me wrong, IPFS paved the road. But today we have better ways to do things.

[-] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 1 points 1 year ago

Tenfingers sharing protocol, working copy & info on tenfingers.org

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago
[-] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 1 points 1 year ago

Close, but with the added possibility to change the data (like a website/blog/chat) and not only have static data.

So on this protocol, you can have a website with a link to my website, who has a link to yours. Maybe that doesn't sound crazy cool :-) but filecoin, IPFS etc just does not have that functionality (with them you have a key/link, and it is locked to 1 data. Fix a typo in your text and you have to redistribute a new key/link on the old web or similar, it's totally static), and for me it's a must if you want to provide a functioning "new web".

[-] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

In the end you need a DNS that blocks all tracking...

[-] hardypart@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

Only gets the job done when you are at home or have a constant VPN to your home.

[-] twei@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

AdGuard or NextDNS ftw!

[-] hardypart@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

If you're tech savvy enough to set up PiHole you can also set up a Wireguard VPN.

Yes i know but just using NextDNS is way more convenient and less expensive (especially when a raspberry pi computers are 100€ and above in your area...)

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I just use a DigitalOcean VPS. $6+tax a month, plus some other self-hosted services. Don't have to worry about being connected to home or buying a Pi. Still may be more expensive, but not by much (only $4-$6 more expensive depending on how much you use the internet), but this also allows you to setup your own DNS if you want as well.

NextDNS is free for the most part.

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I know. That's the upper limit. If you use too many queries, it's $2 a month. Hence $4-$6 dollars.

[-] hardypart@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Price is not really a factor, as you already have a machine running PiHole. Never tried NextDNS, but I can't imagine it being easier than Wireguard.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Does something like Wireguard increase traffic? I'm thinking if it'd make problems for when you have low connectivity and bandwidth.

[-] theFibonacciEffect@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

You can set the DNS for your device as well

[-] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 3 points 1 year ago

Web DRM could in theory ban this

And every government in the world that isn't insane would in theory ban web drm

[-] ruination@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

I don't doubt that at least the EU certainly would, but will they be fast enough to prevent irreversible damage?

[-] Spudwart@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It's the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

~~Good~~ Bad guys, Bad guys and explosions; as far's the eye can see.

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