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[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago

At a charger, probably. I'm no expert though.

[-] sizzler@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Someone doesn't know what British (European) streets are like.

[-] Joelk111@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I don't need to. Is there a way to charge EVs there? Then EVs will likely be charged there. Is there not a way to charge EVs there? Then EVs probably won't be charged there.

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[-] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 51 points 11 months ago

This is the same problem ICE cars faced when they were rolled out. It isn't like there was a gas station on every corner when the Model T rolled out. As more and more EVs hit the road, charging availability will increase until we reach a point where chargers are ubiquitous. It may reach the point where every parking space has a charger.

This is a transitional issue that will resolve itself.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 21 points 11 months ago

It is also way easier to install a charging station than a gas station.

Electricity is already available everywhere.

[-] Landmammals@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Installing wires is too difficult. Let's just continue doing it the easy way, pumping liquid dinosaurs out of the ground and transporting flammable liquid thousands of miles.

[-] Chriswild@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Gasoline has about a 6 month self life and has to be refined from crude oil at specific facilities that polute the surrounding area.

The supply chain to support gasoline is completely insane compared to plugging you car in at home 90% of the time. Once the wiring is updated to support EVs it's basically done, no more logistics expense but gas is expensive always.

[-] Landmammals@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah that's the point. Saying it's too hard to upgrade wiring is madness.

[-] Chriswild@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

My apologies I was meaning to share frustration because I agree with you not come off as an argument. I hope you don't feel as if I was saying you were wrong.

It's also madness because we did this before at least in the US with air conditioning going main stream on a grid designed to support lights only.

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[-] r00ty@kbin.life 9 points 11 months ago

Except it's not the same, yet. Currently in the space you can have a fuel station cars can refuel in 5 minutes to full and be on their way making that pump available.

EVs need at least 30 minutes with the fastest charger to get from say 20 to 60 right? In either case they take up the bay. So you need to be able to handle many more at once.

If all bays are fast charge, that's a lot of power infrastructure required.

Now, all isn't lost. There's more ways to charge an EV. For example people can mostly charge at home, there could be ways to charge on the move (I don't wonder what kind of drag would be applied charging with induction) and then, yes charging points which we'd hope are used less often.

But the issue is the promises of X things done by Y year. Since there's just not been enough work done until now.

[-] roscoe@startrek.website 11 points 11 months ago

The footprints of chargers and gas stations aren't the same though. A lot of places I go have a row of 8-10 spots with chargers. No added footprint really, just installed at the front of the spot. Compare that to an 8-10 pump gas station, even without a convenience store. If you removed a gas station and replaced it with rows of spaces with chargers I think you'd get more cars through over a given period of time.

[-] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

those fast chargers require huge infrastructure to scale out. 480v service.

[-] Yaztromo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

EVs need at least 30 minutes with the fastest charger to get from say 20 to 60 right? In either case they take up the bay. So you need to be able to handle many more at once.

No. The Hyundai IONIQ 5 and 6 (and likely 7) only need 18 minutes to go from 10% to 80%.

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[-] tonyn@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago

Not looking forward to sidewalks and curbs covered in a tangle of car charger cables.

[-] Nusm@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago

A tangle of cables? I’ll feel right at home! …and right at work! 🤣

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It would be nice if more manufacturers would put multiple charge ports on cars. Most only have one. And I don’t think anyone is doing more than 2.

Having one on each corner would be dope and would reduce the length of cord that often needs to be run.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 months ago

Ffs, can we please please stop the car centric city? Can we please invest in public transportation, bicycle lanes everywhere, and walkable neighborhoods?

Climate change hats this one little trick where we don't design cities to be car dependent hellscapes, and it's good for your (mental) health too!

[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is an article posted by the BBC, in the UK.

Our cities are perfectly walkable, and we have public transport links.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

FFS can we please acknowledge reality that cars are not going anywhere anytime soon and that cars are going to be a part of the solution along with the expansion of public transportation and bike lanes that doesn't get people killed and city planning around less urban sprawl and stop treating this stuff like it's a zero sum game.

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[-] GadgeteerZA@fedia.io 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

@boem@lemmy.world home owners would certainly charge their EVs at home, so the issue really is for those in apartment blocks. By us most apartment blocks have reserved/paid bays, so I'd imagine it must be possible to fit pop-up type chargers? I'd expect apartment blocks would have to make a plan of sorts to meet car owners halfway. After all, if you buy/rent any apartment today, it normally has electricity wired (and water piped, and often Internet connected) to the unit. Why not the same for a parking bay?

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

In lots of cities most people live in apartments with only street parking. Hopefully public transit will grow to fill the needs of people living in dense cities, though.

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[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago

Not an exotheric notion.

Besides special purpose built charging spots, available in the streets, my country is incentivizing the instalation of charging spots in supermarkets, shopping malls and regular gas stations.

Residential buildings have incentives to install charging spots and I've read that new construction has to have it by default.

It is doable. In extremis, regular street light posts can be retrofitted with the necessary hardware.

[-] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Convert the Office buildings into charging/parking garages 😎 /s

[-] autotldr 7 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A big advantage of repurposing existing lampposts is that cities don't have to dig in order to lay new cables, says Artis Markots, the chief executive of the Latvian start-up SimpleCharge, which is focusing on Central and Eastern Europe.

Trojan Energy is a Scottish company whose chargers sit flush with the pavement, resembling miniature manhole covers from the outside.

The UK company Nyobolt recently created Bolt-ee, a compact, ultra-rapid charger that can provide up to 300kW of DC power to charge a car within minutes.

Fully mobile charging could be useful for people with disabilities, says Liana Cipcigan, a professor of transport electrification and smart grids at Cardiff University's School of Engineering.

In terms of fire risks, Mr Shivareddy says that Nyobolt has carefully designed Bolt-ee to be ultra-efficient, and thus to generate very little waste heat.

As Prof Cipcigan says, there is much space for innovation in the EV charging market, and younger and smaller companies "could make an interesting impact on this very complex landscape".


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[-] fhqwgads@possumpat.io 6 points 11 months ago

I would love to see chargers more incentivized at workplaces. As solar becomes more common charging during the day is going to make more sense than night. There are already ways to track charging costs and bill them out or just consider it a job perk. Most people don't need to charge 300 miles a day so even if every single employee drives an EV you probably only need to install enough chargers for somewhere like ¼ of the cars on site. Yes some people need to drive for work, but there are a lot of cars that sit all day and could be running on solar instead of charging off something else at night instead.

[-] Dremor@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

At home? Not like we are lacking electric outlets.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

The problem is apartments without garages or without parking lots. See San Francisco, New York, etc.

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago

My understanding is that most people like that in those cities don't have cars because mass transit there is actually quite good, and keeping a car is excessively expensive for something they'll rarely need

[-] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago

Things work differently in the US lol

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

I mean, I was specifically referring to those two cities in the US because the comment I was responding to was mentioning them

[-] stankmut@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I think it's mostly true in New York, but that's the only city where I've heard that.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately all too many still do. I’ve known people in NYC who have cars, even if they rarely need them. When I lived in Boston, I needed a car despite using transit for all daily trips: some weeks I only used the car to move it for street cleaning

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

A lot of people in those cities don’t have cars, but a lot do. Especially in the San Francisco Bay Area, which has worse public transportation than NY.

Speaking as someone born and raised in SF, a shit load of apartment dwellers have cars. There are so many cars that you often can’t find a parking space near your building in the residential parts of town. Honestly, the main reason people get rid of their car is because the city has hit peak car capacity. You have to spend 30-60m looking for a spot in the vicinity of home.

[-] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

As electric car ownership increases, apartments will be incentivized to install ways to charge them. Just like electric cars it'll start with high end apartments and trickle down. This may also incentivize apartment owners to install solar on their buildings to charge battery banks to save money on electricity.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Problem is that these places often don’t have available street parking in front of the building. It’s a public street, and someone that lives in different building often grabs the open spot. And in addition to that, buildings almost always have more cars than spots in front of them.

Sure, the building owner could put chargers in front of their property, but in a place like SF, the residents will rarely get access to them.

Charging infrastructure needs to be lead by the city, state, or federal government. Putting it on landlords won’t do anything.

Also, landlords in these places already barely maintain their units. Many of them wouldn’t even maintain the HVAC until laws forced them to. And even now, many drag their feet.

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