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A literal child taking orders in a fast food restaurant in the US (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world

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[–] Creddit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People offended just by looking at this picture out of context should really try explaining their preferred authoritarian social policy to a teenager who wants a part-time job but for whom some people would forbid them by penalty of the law.

Spoiler: They won't understand why you should have any authority over their body and time.

I don't understand why you should have that authority either. I mean, where does it end?

What are your criteria for exceptions? Shouldn't it be between the kid and their parents, and not you?

Are you imagining there is a parental figure with a bull whip for this kid in the back office and you want to outlaw physical abuse? There are already separate laws for that!

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we tried to let people have the permission to do that, kids died.

Enough kids died that even America decided we needed to make laws against it, and we love exploiting the under class people

[–] Creddit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As others have pointed out, those laws have important exceptions to account for kids who want to work, and that is the question I am asking all of the knee-jerk authoritarians:

What is the actual policy position they support? What are the exceptions they support or are they completely authoritarian about this issue? (I think a strict rule prohibiting all people under 18 from ever earning a living is a pretty embarrassing position to defend.)

What are emancipated teenagers supposed to do? Should they live 100% at the mercy of state programs and not improve their living standards beyond the meager social welfare they are afforded until they turn exactly 18 years old? Really? Not even a day sooner, even if they are ready and qualified to work?

That would be completely inhumane. Certainly it's depriving them of their bodily freedom and natural ability to extract capital value from their own labor.

So where is the line? 13? 14? I think somewhere in there is reasonable. Perhaps a test could determine their capacity to participate in their own economic fate? Or an evaluation by a social worker? I could go for something like that.

What if they are NOT emancipated and their parent is supervising them? Should the age minimum be higher then? 17? 18? I do not think so.

I think it's only logical that the age minimum should actually be lower if a parent is directly supervising - their physical and economic risk is lower if the parent is looking out for their best interests. This of course presumes that the parent is not physically or mentally/emotionally abusing the kid(again, separate laws exist for the abuse component and most parents don't abuse their kids).

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

The wall is usually 14-ish with limitations on what you can do and how many hours you can work.

We have to limit it otherwise adults will take advantage of the fact that children don’t know what they’re doing.

Yes, some of them might be smart enough, but a lot of them aren’t, and it’s better to protect the majority and work on irregular cases on their own merits.

Part of becoming an emancipated minor is showing that you have the means to care for yourself to a judge, otherwise you’re not allowed to become emancipated

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Children should not be working. We have piles of dead children that died in the past for the profits of capitalists, and it took millions of maimed children marching to DC led by Mother Jones for anything to be done about child labor. I highly doubt that there's anyone, let alone children, that want to be in the coercive environment we call work. If you want to say protecting children from the dangers of a capitalist workplace is authoritarian, then so be it. I don't want to see children in a workplace where they will be exploited by everyone above them.

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[–] Neon@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Blur the Faces
When was this taken? If it's a Holiday/weekend/afterschool Job, i don't see any problem with that. Also did a lot of them to scrounge up the Money for my PC

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 year ago

Oooh! Look at that! A bunch of people opining on a picture with zero context given! What a special surprise! We never see this happen nowadays.

Obligatory /s.

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