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submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

A federal judge in Florida ruled a U.S. law that prohibits people from having firearms in post offices to be unconstitutional, the latest court decision declaring gun restrictions violate the Constitution.

U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, a Trump appointee, cited the 2022 Supreme Court ruling “New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen” that expanded gun rights. The 2022 ruling recognized the individual’s right to bear a handgun in public for self-defense.

The judge shared her decision in the indictment that charged Emmanuel Ayala, U.S. Postal Service truck driver, with illegal possession of a firearm in a federal building.

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[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 156 points 9 months ago

Now do courthouses and see how well that goes.

[-] spider@aussie.zone 72 points 9 months ago

U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle

...specifically hers.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Restrictions on carry in court houses would likely pass the Bruen test.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

I don't see any reason why a court should be treated any differently though.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 28 points 9 months ago

Well yeah, the Courts make up rules and tests to advance whatever agenda is on the docket. They work backwards from the result they want.

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[-] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago
[-] endhits@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Banks are private entities. Apples and oranges.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 93 points 9 months ago

You know what else is public? Courthouses.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 73 points 9 months ago

Florida is such a shit hole.

[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

We're not "such a shit hole". We're an exquisite shit hole.

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[-] spider@aussie.zone 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

in Florida

surprise! ;)

Edit: Ha ha, downvoted...Florida Man is watching!

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

We look at Florida the way the rest of the world looks at us.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Yeah, Florida made itself such a reputation, that when there was an article that the law about financial disclosure of politicians passed it just raised questions "what's the catch?". People are not used to seeing anything positive coming from that state.

[-] spider@aussie.zone 10 points 9 months ago

law about financial disclosure of politicians

I'm actually in Florida (but on an Aussie Lemmy instance); you wouldn't believe the number of politicians, mostly from wealthy beach communities, who are vacating their offices because of that law. It's a total shit show.

[-] Zoidberg@lemm.ee 48 points 9 months ago

We should make sure it's also unconstitutional to block guns at:

  • Courthouses
  • GOP conventions
  • Political rallies
  • NRA conventions
[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Jesus Christ. Can you imagine families of the defendant and victim along with the jury all being armed when the verdict gets read at a murder trial?

I've been a juror on a murder trial and even with current regulations banning guns, we got armed escorts out the back of the building after the verdict.

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[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

I wonder how the court would respond to a petition to allow firearms in court rooms. It's a god-given American freedom, guaranteed by the second amendment right?

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[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 30 points 9 months ago

Cool, so the place that mass shootings in the US began, and coined its own phrase, now must allow armed nut jobs inside. What could go wrong!?

[-] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 9 months ago

The USPS has been abused by DeJoy, another trump appointee, who filled the fleet with more gas vehicles with less efficiency than previous models. That and removing public mail boxes for “reasons that totally didn’t have to do with mail-in voting helping Democrats win elections, promise.”

[-] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It wasn't just blue boxes, he also shut down sorting machines, slowing mail processing in another attempt to delay mail-in ballots. Luckily we weren't sending these off to get sorted at the plant and would take them to the town hall directly which probably helped circumvent a lot of late ballots. Can't say this was done in every office but in my local area I know we did that.

Edit: a word

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Going postal now legal in Florida.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

This is a ridiculous ruling, but the reason the ban on guns in post offices makes many gun owners so angry is that unlike pretty much any other no-gun zone laws, it includes all of the property, including the parking lot.

So if a licensed person removes their gun and leaves it in the car so they can go into the post office, they've still committed a felony by parking there.

So instead they'll park in the street. And if the lot is mostly empty and there's a car parked in the street in front of the post office, it's a bright neon sign to thieves that breaking into that car will score them a gun.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago

Turns out there's a surprisingly simple way to avoid that whole situation...

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[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 19 points 9 months ago

These people are out of their fucking minds. Nothing’s ever enough.

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[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Post office workers' safety ruled uNcONStItuTiONaL

Jesus fucking Christ guys

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago

I need a gun when I go to the post office to protect myself from the postal workers when they decide to go postal.

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[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

Bunch of scared insecure children on the right. Recommend a listen to Malcolm Gladwell 6 part series on gun violence for the history of the rights obsession with 2A.

[-] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I WILL FIGHT FOR MY FREEDOM IN THE POST OFFICE

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO TAKE MY GUNS

/s

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So the reason she used in her ruling is that the law about not having guns in post offices was passed in 1972. Which is pants on head crazy. Under that reasoning it's not about what powers to regulate there were traditionally. It's about specific case details, like qualified immunity. The federal government has absolutely maintained an ability to say no guns in sensitive areas from day 1 of the USA. But because they didn't get around to post offices until 1972, it's illegal to make guns illegal in post offices.

Which is not the standard SCOTUS set in Bruen. According to their standard it would be sufficient to prove early Americans would approve of such laws by finding similar laws. Not requiring that they had the same exact law.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

I want to open carry an ar15 in an MRI room. If you prohibit that, you are violating my constitutional rights!

If you say that there are exceptions to those rights the I think we have a crack that we need to rip open juuuuust a little wider.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I love how open carry was banned in California by Republican legislation and the law was signed by fucking none other than conservative golden calf, Ronald Reagan.

And why? Because the Black Panthers were making white people nervous.

There's no moral or logical consistency until you realize everything they do is self serving and any given stance is subject to change whenever convenient.

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