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Seems like something that WFH would solve without having to upend so many employee lives.

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 184 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A decade ago, a lot of folks would probably seriously consider this. Austin is a rad town and cost of living is cheaper than San Diego. Now moving to Texas could put you at significant risk if you’re a woman.

Apple, a company that likes to value diversity and inclusion, is apparently fine with putting its female employees in harm’s way for a tax break.

Of all the shit Apple has done, this is particularly disturbing.

Edit: Took a few more minutes to look into this, and it appears that Apple covers travel and medical expenses for women that have to travel out of state for care. Although, forcing someone into that position to keep their job is pretty douchey.

[-] nicetriangle@kbin.social 67 points 9 months ago

Austin isn't even that much cheaper and property tax in TX is heinous compared to CA.

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 28 points 9 months ago

Not cheaper at all, actually. They only discuss income tax when folks claim that.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago

all the tech companies should move to another smaller city in a blue state all at once. turn Salem OR or something into the next big tech hub

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Welcome to Raleigh!

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[-] ares35@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

austin is crazy expensive now. it was already starting to get that way when i lived there ~ 25 years ago.

and i'd pick the san diego climate any day over anywhere in texas.

[-] 6daemonbag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

You think it's expensive now, but wait till everyone with all that California tech money rolls in and starts buying everything sight-unseen. And in cash.

[-] PuceDogs@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The average tax burden in Texas is actually higher than California. People see “no income tax!” and lose all ability to reason

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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

Even covering expenses still puts women's lives at risk.

Sure if you get pregnant and early on decide you want one, they can help out, AFTER you divulge very private information.

But what about all the myriad of other scenarios where people need medical abortions in life threatening situations. You don't always have the time to get yourself to another state, and then you die, or lose the ability to get pregnant again.

Sure its nice they offer it, but fuck them for putting women in that situation anyway. They don't get a pass for covering costs when they can.

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[-] Endorkend@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago

value diversity and inclusion

Bullshit.

They don't give a shit.

It's something of importance to their target demographic, so they play into it.

[-] mriguy@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Edit: Took a few more minutes to look into this, and it appears that Apple covers travel and medical expenses for women that have to travel out of state for care. Although, forcing someone into that position to keep their job is pretty douchey.

And when the Texas government arrests them to keep them from traveling for an abortion, Apple will break them out of jail?

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Not saying this corporate policy makes up for Apple trying to re-lo people to the Texas. Just providing more detail.

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[-] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

Sorry, values diversity and inclusion?

Yeah, if you include the slave labour that was literally chained inside their factories in China?

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[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 84 points 9 months ago

Are they expecting for people to just pack their shit up, and go? We have to stop letting these companies pretend that all the workers are just meat puppets

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 85 points 9 months ago

Honestly, probably not. They probably want them to quit. This is a cost cutting measure that they don't want to admit to publicly.

[-] turddle@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yep. Sounds like that to me. Even Apple can’t afford San Diego which is why OP’s WFH idea isn’t an option

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[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

This is what a stealth layoff looks like folks.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 9 months ago

This is becoming a larger and larger ask as the states drift further apart in terms of rights.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

Don’t move, don’t quit. Make them fire you.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

make them fire you? Start a fucking union and make management's life hell.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 37 points 9 months ago

No one from California wants to move to Texas.

[-] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Its slowing down recently but in 2021 and 2022 it was a very popular topic and many people did move from CA to TX.

https://blog.smu.edu/dedmancollege/2022/09/12/why-are-californians-moving-to-texas-and-how-that-might-change-the-state/

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And guess what happened in 23? A LOT of those people came RIGHT back to California lol

Perfect example: https://www.businessinsider.com/couple-moved-california-texas-back-santa-cruz-rosenberg-2023-11?op=1

Looking at census data: https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/california-exodus-census-analysis-18509264.php

California was one of 11 states whose inmigration rate was lower than the national migration average of 19.9%. The data says that many of the people (44,279) who moved to California last year came from Texas. The second-highest number of people (31,225) who moved from a different state to California came from New York.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Well, lots of people move to Texas from all kinds of states. You could make an article about each one if you tried. Also, people are moving to California from Texas—and everywhere else. You could write an article about each of those places if you tried.

My point is, people who bleed blue don’t move to Texas unless they have to. And, with recent politics, Texas is a much harder pill to swallow for anyone left of center.

I’m sure the lefties in California would love to get rid of the righties. Maybe they could make a 1:1 trade, lefties for righties.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

The Central Valley disagrees.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago

Sorry, coastal California ;)

[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

You know, where the people live

[-] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

San Diego is one of the biggest major cities with a Republican Majority and it’s in Cali. Now considering these are tech workers they may care, but I’ve worked with my fair share of tech libertarians. Especially here in Cali.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago

They probably wouldn’t like Austin though.

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[-] Janoose@kbin.social 32 points 9 months ago

Ffs tech workers need to unionize and fast.

[-] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Apple supports anti-abortion misogyny, the murder of immigrants crossing the border, and a deterioration of employee rights for profit. This is the safest conclusion.

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[-] mriguy@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

“Asks”? So they can just say “no thank you” and keep their jobs?

No?

Then asks is not the right word.

[-] eletes@sh.itjust.works 22 points 9 months ago

If they're using this as a method to get employees to quit, then it's gonna suck for the few that do move

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Well duh, now they'll have to live in Texas.

[-] sevan@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Its only temporary, those employees will be eliminated later under more lax labor laws.

[-] ferralcat@monyet.cc 13 points 9 months ago

I'm just shocked to learn that Siri has (had) a quality control team.

[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

The company reportedly told employees they can apply for other jobs within the company, though some doubt they’re qualified for other Apple roles in the city, and most don’t plan to move.

Sounds like it's QA people. Which sucks extra hard cause that's a much harder field to get another job in. If they were software engineers, the world would be their oysters. I bet a lot of people will make the move and it's quite shitty and cynical from apple to move a team that doesn't have a lot of options.

If they tried to move an engineering team to texas, they know they'd get told to get fucked

[-] Alto@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

If they were software engineers, the world would be their oysters.

Not with all the layoffs lately.
https://layoffs.fyi

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[-] theodewere@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Apple likes the labor laws in Texas that allows them to screw their employees over when they feel like it

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

And so begins (continues?) the enshittification of Apple. Siri is dumb as a bag of rocks. These people should all get raises.

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