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[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Reagan sank the entire Iranian navy for mining the Persian Gulf.

Where were the outcries? These are Russian shills.

The Huthies shot missles at US war ships. Biden clearly has an Article 2 responsibility to defend US troops and US shipping from these assholes.

[-] Ciel@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 9 months ago

'everyone i disagre with is a russian shill' and other methods of avoiding actual arguments

[-] Tire@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago

He gave reasons. You’re the one not bringing anything to the discussion.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Maybe burger empire should start respecting territorial waters of other countries and stop sailing its war ships in Yemeni territory.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden are both international waters.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago
[-] Lynthe@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Yes this is a useful Wikipedia article. Especially the point just a little past the first line which specifically rebuts the point you are making:

"The territorial sea is sovereign territory, although foreign ships (military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it, or transit passage for straits"

And just to jump ahead to preempt your next argument, innocent passage is defined in the UN convention on the law of the sea here:

https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part2.htm

Furthermore the Houthis are not making claims that the vessels attacked are violating innocent passage. Only you are for some reason.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh hey, could you spell out for us the reason Ansar Allah are disallowing passage for vessels of certain countries through their sovereign waters?

[-] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

While Biden justified his Yemen strikes without congressional authorization, in 2020, when President Donald Trump was escalating hostilities with Iran, he was a staunch defender of the notion that Congress should be consulted before taking military action that could spark U.S. involvement in a regional war.

“Let’s be clear: Donald Trump does not have the authority to take us into war with Iran without Congressional approval,” Biden said on Twitter at the time. “A president should never take this nation to war without the informed consent of the American people.”

Hoist with his own petard, oof.

[-] HumbleFlamingo@beehaw.org 0 points 9 months ago

These aren't comparable.

Trump wanted to attack a sovereign nation, unprovoked. That would start a war.

Biden is attacking Houthi Rebel In Yemen. They are not a sovereign nation and have been literally attacking us and others in the region. This will not start a war.

[-] autotldr 4 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The U.S. and U.K. led a series of airstrikes in Yemen on Thursday evening, setting off alarms globally about how the attacks play into the smoldering regional risk of conflict — including a stream of questions from Congress about whether Joe Biden was legally authorized to conduct the strikes at all.

In a statement, Biden said, “Today, at my direction, U.S. military forces—together with the United Kingdom and with support from Australia, Bahrain, Canada, and the Netherlands—successfully conducted strikes against a number of targets in Yemen used by Houthi rebels to endanger freedom of navigation in one of the world’s most vital waterways.”

With Israel being brought before the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, for allegedly committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, the Houthi blockade of Israeli trade in the Red Sea could gain a newfound global legitimacy.

“It’s appalling that instead of acting to stop Israeli war crimes, the Biden administration chose to further damage both our global reputation and our Constitutional system by launching a new unauthorized conflict against Yemen.”

“Iran sowed hatred across the Middle East, and the world is now reaping endless attacks from Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis,” said Rep. Brian Mast of Florida, who showed up to Congress in an Israel Defense Forces uniform on October 13, 2023.

While Biden justified his Yemen strikes without congressional authorization, in 2020, when President Donald Trump was escalating hostilities with Iran, he was a staunch defender of the notion that Congress should be consulted before taking military action that could spark U.S. involvement in a regional war.


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