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    [–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Whenever i need to use windows, i leave it on a separate drive, and then just point a rEFInd entry to it. It really frustrates me, that Windows just expects full advocacy over your hardware, and performs changes like this without any warning

    [–] ares35@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    i've had both windows and linux mess-up dual boot setups.. so i started keeping them separate. either different systems, or run in a vm.

    [–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 years ago

    My issue is that when linux fucks up my bootloader it's usually by mistake / bug. If windows does it it's pretty much deliberate

    [–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 6 points 2 years ago

    VMWare workstation is well worth the £££. I work in a Windows VM that is fully compliant with all the business requirements and when I run it full screen I don't feel like it's a VM.

    I dualboot with separate efi partitions. Does it happen that windows fucks up anothr efi partition?

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Arch moment

    (no I will never forget that one time they borked the grub package and there was no notification of it in the newsfeed)

    [–] shadowintheday2@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I switched to systemd boot when that happened, and it's been so smooth ever since

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

    I just switched to Fedora and been happy with it for ~2 yrs

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Untill there's a bug in systemd-boot on arch...

    [–] shadowintheday2@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

    It's not exempt from happening; however, it rarely ever updates and has less complexity/functionality than grub, which makes it less prone to error happening (be it from the developers, or from the user like me trying to theme it :))

    [–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago

    Seems familiar. Did you by any chance also not update the copy of grub in your EFI system partition since you installed it? Then you need to do that and afterwards everything works fine again.

    While you are at it add a netboot.xyz EFI entry to fix that kind of stuff without a USB stick or your own network boot server.

    [–] Johanno@feddit.de 19 points 2 years ago
    [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
    grub> set root=(...)
    grub> linux /vmlinuz root=...
    grub> initrd /initrd.img
    grub> boot
    
    [–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

    Now draw the rest of the owl.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
    [–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Windows has a habit of deleting grub when it updates. Idk if it is just bad Microsoft programming or intentional.

    [–] stanka@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)
    [–] ares35@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

    windows ain't done until nothing else runs.

    [–] JoShmoe@ani.social 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    You mean I can’t have a separate partition without microsoft thinking they own everything?

    [–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Yeah pretty much. When I dual booted I just had 2 drives and used the bios boot select

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I used to do that but windows still managed to break grub somehow

    [–] BloodSlut@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
    [–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

    What irritates me the most is they don't even bother to ask what to do with the bootloader when installing Windows, or at least the option is hidden behind some guru magic not supported by the installer GUI. Leave an old windows boot drive plugged in while doing a fresh install on another drive, and the installer happily uses the bootloader on the old drive without ever even mentioning it. Since it is so easy to make this mistake you'd think Microsoft offered a tool to move the bootloader to a different drive, but nope.

    [–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

    This post made by the windows gang

    [–] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 5 points 2 years ago

    Time to break out the system rescue USB

    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 5 points 2 years ago

    Btw, rEFInd detects bootloaders by itself.

    [–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago

    What I'm missing? Just do update-grub.

    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Am i the only one using elilo?

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I thought it had been abandoned since 2003, but not at all!
    It's been abandoned since 2013.

    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Ah so its only been 10 years. Perfect. Probably why nothings broken?

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

    A lot of things may have changed in ten years though. It's good that nothing broke, but it's not very reassuring.

    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

    No its not ideal.

    [–] backhdlp@iusearchlinux.fyi 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

    Am i missing anything?

    Honestly, when I learned that rEFInd supports loading dxe modules natively I swapped and never looked back (NVMe boot drives on ancient computers, my beloved)