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Labour’s £28bn green investment plan at risk from UK Budget tax cuts (www.ft.com)
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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's a lot of words to say "the Tories know they're on the way out and they're trying to limit the good Labour can do when they get in, as expected"

Regardless of what you think about Labour and where its policy is currently, this would frankly be more of a story if the Tories weren't taking an opportunity like this to sabotage the incoming government

The Tories basically have to offer a load of unsustainable tax cuts because that's the only carrot they've got in the toolbox for their dwindling support. It's a happy bonus for them that the same unsustainable cuts make things difficult for Labour

Edit: unsustainable, not unattainable

[-] Fudoshin@feddit.uk -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How many pledges do they have to reverse @frankPodmore@slrpnk.net before you admit Labour are Tories with red ties?

[-] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 months ago

An infinite number, since 'reversing pledges' is not the criteria by which we decide whether someone's a Tory.

[-] Fudoshin@feddit.uk -4 points 9 months ago

So when they reverse so many pledges they're effectively campaigning on being "Competent Tories" that's ok with you?

I see why you support Labour now. You're a Tory.

[-] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 months ago

Good point! Thanks for convincing me to vote Conservative. I was going to vote Labour, because I'm a Tory, but you've now convinced me that makes no sense. I don't know why it hadn't occurred to me before.

[-] Fudoshin@feddit.uk -4 points 9 months ago

No need to be snippy Frank. I said competent Tories. They're still competent, but they are Tories. As long as we're clear on that and that we'll probably never have a genuine change of direction for generations even as the gap between rich and poor gets to the point of revolution.

I wanted a real Labour party that had more left wing ideas, not something that will happen in my lifetime.

That makes me a tad bitter.

[-] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 months ago

I also would like Labour to be more leftwing, but unless a plurality of people in the country want that, it can't and shouldn't happen. The very second you say 'I'm leftwing' (or, indeed, 'I'm rightwing' or any other such label), you're also by definition saying 'Most people disagree with me'. But that's fine! Decent, intelligent people disagree all the time. There's no particular reason to think that you and I are correct to be leftwing. The whole point of democratic politics is to find a way to get millions of people who disagree with each other on roughly the same page.

As I've said before, Labour are going to implement leftwing politics in power (again: green investment; planning reform; workers' rights). We have the status quo, with no leftwing policies, or an opportunity to get some left wing policies. It is obvious that we should take that opportunity and vote Labour.

[-] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 3 points 9 months ago

I'm a cynical git and you've given me some much-needed hope. I like you Frank; you're a good egg. 👍

[-] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago

I'm going to assume it was the sarcasm that tipped you over the edge.

By the way, feel free to keep tagging me in comments. I'm always happy to explain what I think!

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