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[-] jasonwherbst@sh.itjust.works 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No. Please. Don't. Go.

Oh well.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

biden should call the bluff and ask the house and senate to release texas from the union under the condition it compensates the US for any federal land and supplies.

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[-] Thteven@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Texas is a drag on our society. I say say cut em loose.

[-] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

I don't fucking get this. Abbot literally ships illegal immigrants by the bus load into the country free of charge, how is he not a fundamental cog in the illegal immigration machine?

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

They've basically finally got around to calling the bluff. No one's going to do anything.

We had a coup attempt last year and people are getting slapped on the wrist.

The government's not going to do anything about anything until there's a full-on civil war.

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[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

For a party that claims to love and respect the US Constitution, being filled to gills with "constitutional orginalists," I don't think any Republican has ever actually read the document. If they had even glanced over it, they would have looked at Article 6, Paragraph 2 also known as the "Federal Supremacy Clause." It's meaning is that law at the Federal level supercedes State laws and even state constitutions. The "Founding Fathers" intended for the Federal government to hold supremacy over the state governments... now it isn't written in plain English, but it is plain enough. Further, the end of our Civil War the court case Texas v White made it plain as day legally that no State may leave the union. Again, the party of "law and order" comes in clutch with that misunderstanding of what those words mean.

All that being said, succession isn't actually that popular (even in Texas). There would likely be a mass revolt against it in any state attempting it. Further, even a play at attempting it would be a political death sentence (as well as, perhaps, a literal one). Any insurrection against the federal government, even by a collection of contiguous states, would face a similar challenge the capitalists/monarchists (or Whites) of the Russian Civil War faced. The major population centers wouldn't recognize the authority of those in revolt and all they'd be left with would be the hinterlands and rural towns. Which is not a great position to be in strategically (again, see: the outcome of the Russian Civil War).

This is all not to mention, while States have their own National Guards, the insurrectionists would have to convince those troops to fire on troops who are wearing the same uniform. You'd have to convince their officers to break their oath to uphold both US law and face a possible death sentence if captured. I don't know Abbott's relationship with his National Guardsmen, but I highly doubt many officers will go in with him in this piece of political theater.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Someone should tell these guys it's not 1861 anymore. They might find themselves on the business end of a hellfire missile if they keep running their yaps with impunity or take actionable steps towards actually seceding. Also known in modern vernacular as "Fuck around and find out".

[-] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

"The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed"

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[-] iconic_admin@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Abbott is so full of shit. Texas isn’t succeeding from anything.

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[-] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 24 points 10 months ago

Hypothetical from a non American. Let's say Texas DOES secede. What happens to the citizenship of the Americans in Texas? Do they lose it? Do they have to leave Texas in X days to keep it? Can it even be revoked? Should it?

If they kept it, would they need to still declare their taxes, as US citizens must pay tax on international income?

[-] n0m4n@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They would become a territory, like Puerto Rico. They would still have citizenship and the benefits of citizenship, such as they would still have taxes. But would not vote in presidential elections, and their representatives would get no vote.

It is the best of all worlds. /$

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[-] Saurok@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

I'm not like a US civil war scholar or anything, but there's at least a glimmer of precedence to be found there with what happened to average folk living in the Confederate States when those states seceded. Babies born in the Confederacy were considered US citizens because the US (the Union) never recognized the Confederacy as independent and legally considered it US territory still. As for adults, it was similar... The US treated them as if they had never lost US citizenship and either punished or pardoned people for treason and war related crimes after the war. So I guess the answer would depend on whether Texas wins or loses the inevitable war that the US would fight to keep Texas from seceding/declaring independence in the first place.

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[-] Pacmanlives@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Cool, let’s pull back their federal funding and see how things go

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Again? Texas does this almost every election cycle and they aren't dumb enough to try it. Or maybe they are. That'd be a show.

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[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago

This guy, these people, are so thick headed.

The court ruled that the border patrol officers have the constitutional authority to move some razor wire in some areas (this case mentions 2.5 miles) because it's in their way of apprehending people trying to get over the boarder - actually, people who have already set foot on US soil.

This is going to turn into some big thing because Abbot would rather let immigrants die in the river than permit border patrol to capture them.

[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 21 points 10 months ago

Can the people of Texas recall their governor? Has to be a lot of them unhappy with this clown.

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[-] eddanja@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Old guy who is only getting older wants to dictate so that he has some sort of legacy.

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

I’m not suggesting that someone should disable the brakes on his wheelchair and then roll him into the street, but were he to be rolled into the street with no brakes, I wouldn’t be surprised.

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[-] OrangeJoe@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago

There's way too many people in here that either don't know the difference between succession and secession, or don't know how to spell, or just were too lazy to look at what they were typing or what was being autocorrected.

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[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 19 points 10 months ago

I want to say it'll never happen, but they may not be so good at paying attention to prevailing trends. If Texit happens I'll be watching with a big bowl of popcorn.

Willy Wonka: Stop. Don't. Come back.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 18 points 10 months ago

How's Trump's electoral math work out without Texas in the union?

[-] Kushia@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

Dog whistle to his supporters, that's all.

If they actually tried anything they'd be snuffed out pretty fast.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Do it. Go on.

[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Tx threatens secession every other day. why does he wear boots. js

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Go for it, Abbott. Let's see your beloved Texas Rangers go up against satellite-guided drone bombers.

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[-] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

They know federal law supercedes state law, right?

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[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Let them go and remove their risk from the power grid.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I believe Texas has its own power grid. Also, still, let them go.

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[-] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

Please, try it. I dare you, Abbott.

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