X is just better! : programmer

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 73 points 9 months ago

Sure X isn’t a hot mess unlike wayland… sure…

[-] jwt@programming.dev 12 points 9 months ago

X has been tepid for at least a decade.

[-] Scoopta@programming.dev 53 points 9 months ago

As someone using Wayland I can confirm it's indeed not a hot a mess

[-] smpl@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 9 months ago

Okay, but that would have made a shitty joke wouldn't it?

Hmm.. I don't know maybe it's fine as a joke.

[-] fl42v@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Seconded. Although that very much depends on the compositor of choice: I've been trying out a few new shiny things (well, pinnacle, strata, buddaraysh), and they aren't exactly usable rn. With the exception of the latter one, probably (since the author claims to use it), but I haven't been able to start it so far... On the other hand, major players like hyprland and sway work perfectly fine on my machine :tm

[-] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 6 points 9 months ago

I'm on KWin Wayland, it also works great. I actually never noticed that I was switched from X11 to Wayland when I reinstalled Debian.

[-] Scoopta@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago

I personally run sway. I was really looking forward to kiwmi but that project looks dead

[-] docAvid@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

Can I use AwesomeWM, XMonad, or StumpWM on Wayland?

Can I run a GUI program over ssh?

Does it support the X selection and clipboard protocols?

(These are not rhetorical questions, I'm really asking.)

[-] fl42v@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Can I use AwesomeWM, XMonad, or StumpWM on Wayland?

Can you run macos software on linux?

Can I run a GUI program over ssh?

This is more of a why would you... Although, waypipe

Does it support the X selection and clipboard protocols?

Too lazy to google, but overall clipboard works as expected, both C-c and text selection. I remember experiencing problems with clipboards in vim (like 2 yrs ago) which were fixed by switching to nvim

[-] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wayland only keeps the clipboard until the application exits. This means a clipboard manager is basically a requirement. Iirc desktop environments might solve those issues by default, but on a standalone compositor just add a clipboard manager and enjoy the history.

[-] fl42v@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Correct, yet I personally don't find it too useful and sometimes harmful when dealing with, for example, password managers

[-] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago

I've added a keybind for deleting history, but it'd be great to have a way to specify short lived clipboard entries. But this might also be one of those standards that no one implements.

[-] Scoopta@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago

No you cannot run any of those WMs, some of those do have ports with varying degrees of completeness but only sway(i3) and hyprland(hypr) are ready for prime time.

Yes, using waypipe

Yes, primary selection does work along with Ctrl+c although as others have mentioned it forgets when the app you copied from gets closed

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[-] penquin@lemm.ee 45 points 9 months ago

😂 But X is a very old spaghetti code from the 80s and is a security nightmare. I use X, btw!

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[-] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

NVidia RTX3070 here - absolutely no issues with Hyprland. Installed it like you would on any other system and i'm good to go.

Only thing i miss is just as @Johanno@feddit.de mentioned, i can't use Green With Envy. Don't need it though.

But NVidia isn't a barrier for wayland anymore.

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[-] Johanno@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

The only reason why I am still on x11 is Green with envy. It doesn't support Wayland yet.

And somehow I got into being a maintainer and now it is my job to fix that.

[-] rikudou 15 points 9 months ago

Easy, because Cinnamon is on X. When Cinnamon is on Wayland, so will I (and when I don't have an Nvidia GPU, I guess).

[-] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

Same here. Sure, KDE and Gnome may have great Wayland support by now, but what about other DEs? The situation in XFCE seems to be pretty grim:

It is not clear yet which Xfce release will target a complete Xfce Wayland transition (or if such a transition will happen at all).

MATE seems to have piecemeal support. No idea what the status of LXDE/LXQT are. And there are plenty of other window managers that don't have the manpower to support wayland either.

The deprecation of X is going to leave a lot of dead software in its wake.

[-] rikudou 6 points 9 months ago

Yeah, people like to pretend KDE and Gnome are the only options. I dislike both. Cinnamon is the (unintended?) spiritual successor to the last Gnome I liked, which is Gnome 2.

[-] dukk@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It’s very much intended. Cinnamon was forked from GNOME 3 when it was released. It was intended to preserve the old GNOME 2 layout, but ended up evolving into the Cinnamon we know today.

[-] backhdlp@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 9 months ago

Insert comment about the window icon protocol here

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[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 9 months ago

No Barrier for Wayland. :(

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 9 months ago

I actually quite like wayland

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[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm confused, wayland.social is just another mastodon instance, yes? EDIT: Oh presumably it's a joke

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 2 points 9 months ago

It's a Linux joke. Basically, the X display server is an unmaintainable mess, so it is being phased out in favor of Wayland.

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