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[-] indomara@lemmy.world 59 points 9 months ago

What terrifies me about this is that there are no regulations or laws in place that say how long this tech that is implanted into people must be supported. Those poor people who got the bionic eye implants are now left with no replacement parts or support after the company went under, leaving those with implants that still work seeing with borrowed time.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago

Our right to repair and IP ownership laws are not ready for the cybernetic revolution

[-] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 months ago

It'll be like Cyberpunk 2077: "Why repair when you could just get new stuff?" That's basically a quote from V too, as you find the possibly last repair shop in Night City. Took me by surprise...

[-] Fishytricks@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean, my fridge (hitachi) has a condensation problem and was giving the error code thingy. The guys came down and quoted 1k+ to bring it back and fix it. I’m like. Literally can get a new fridge! At this point really, what should I do?

Edit: it’s a 9 year old fridge

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

That problem will always exist to some degree. We want good access to the ability to repair (in our laws, in how things are engineered or designed, in our supply chains and in industry support, in our cultural expectations, etc.), but there will always be certain types of repairs that will cost more than manufacturing a new one from scratch.

Sometimes repairing some component will take more work than the entire component is worth. For example, the extreme example of a stripped screw shows us that replacing a stripped screw is cheaper and easier than trying to re-machine that same chunk of metal back into a screw shape.

Or some types of breakage just can't be repaired practically. A torn piece of paper can be taped back together, but it isn't quite the same as a new piece of paper.

Or the repair might require work done on a particular place that makes that labor more expensive. Welding a leaking pipe might be slower and more expensive than replacing that pipe, if the leak happens to be in a place that is hard to access. Or, as you learned, paying for a repairman to drive from one place to another with the right part might cost more than just the general cost of delivery of the whole thing.

Often, troubleshooting will take a skilled troubleshooter much more time, and their time is worth more than the cost of replacing the broken thing, perhaps by a less skilled technician.

As the price of a thing goes down compared to the cost of the labor to fix it, the calculus of whether a particular repair is worth the cost is going to shift towards replacement rather than repair. And that's not always a bad thing, as it usually means the thing is getting more affordable, or people's time is getting more valuable.

[-] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago

Man, if right to repair laws were better for all industries, I'm sure the costs wouldn't be this high either :/

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

My car isn't even getting updates anymore and it's fewer than ten years old. I'll never put tech in my body until it's legally required to be supported, and also open source so I can support it

[-] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

I wonder if companies should be forced to provide a product’s core tech diagrams, material science, and major code base revisions to a kind of escrow, which is then released when the product is sunsetted.

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[-] rikudou 2 points 9 months ago

With neural implants open source is not the main issue. Sure, it's nice, but it's not like I'm gonna do a brain surgery because I did RTFM.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are pacemakers with bugs shocking hearts incorrectly and companies can't help. They're bust or don't have the copyright to the code or just won't help - buy our new product next year.

It's not difficult to imagine malicious brain implants when the users are not in control. Being open source, or rather "free software", is equally a main issue.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

There are pacemakers with bugs shocking hearts incorrectly, and companies can't help.

Do you have a source for that? I work with these pacemaker companies fairly frequently, and I'm not aware of this, and a quick search didn't turn up anything.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Karen Sandler of the Software Freedom Conservancy has a "pacemaker defibrillator" for her large heart, and has done a few talks about it. I just read that a defibrillator is not usually included as part of "pacemaker" so I may have misspoke.

Original talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XDTQLa3NjE

Follow-up talk 6 years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2FNqXhr4c8

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[-] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Perhaps not, but it would make it far easier for any sympathetic brain surgeon you managed to find who was willing to try and fix the problem for you.

The key thing is not needing that specific company to help, but needing generic expert assistance is fine

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

We also should have laws on other medical implants (ex. stents etc.), so there is a pathway to getting these regulations in

We just need them yesterday

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How on earth did Musk manage to get the proper authorization for testing on humans???
Anyway, I hope everything goes well for the patient. Those reports about the monkeys planted horrible images in my mind.

[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Lol. Lmao even.

[-] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

About as soon as should have gotten any rights to publish any cars. At all.

[-] surfrock66@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

This whole thing sucks because this kind of tech has the potential to be revolutionary. For people with paralysis, or those experiencing vision loss due to eye issues, the tech to interface nerves with sensors and inputs will be absolutely revolutionary. On the other hand, Musk has a terrible track record with safety and regulation, develops tech by abusing researchers and workers with unrealistic timelines and expectations, overpromises and under delivers, and responds with hostility to even the most measured criticism. Having his name tied to the version of this tech leading the news cycle will paint it in a dystopian light, raising the regulatory bar to "panic" levels with no nuance, and will likely result in pushing more realistic approaches to the tech back a significant amount of time, hurting those it would help most.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Absolutely agree.

Musk is running twitter into the ground. He's already destroyed Tesla with his decisions around self-driving, it just seems the markets haven't cottoned on yet to how grossly overvalued the company is. OpenAI is looking to be a mess.

You're absolutely right that this technology has massive potential, and Musk is definitely not the guy to deliver it.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 3 points 9 months ago

My thoughts exactly. This tech has amazing implications for people with paralysis and other disorders that prevent the use of their body. It sucks that this egomaniacal asshole is the one controlling it's development

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[-] LoremIpsumGenerator@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

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[-] PersonalDevKit@aussie.zone 4 points 9 months ago

Give it 10 years and open source will have something not as good, but good enough. Then we won't have to deal with all the extra ads of the normal devices. We will be able to side load some cool new upgrade, while the rest will have to change models to the Brain Master 21 to access a slightly better feature.

Elon may be the first to commercialize this tech for the masses but there is no way he will be the only one who makes one of these devices.

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[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago

How long until the first subjects start beating their skulls against a wall like the chimps did?

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[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 9 points 9 months ago

I wish the patient, scientists, and doctors success. I'm very concerned about the safety record for Neuralink, but I desperately hope they turned things around and that this patient responds well.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This tech has existed for decades, musk is just trying to shrink it.

I remember early 90s hearing about paralyzed patients who could control a mouse and keyboard through an implant.

It was mostly for bed ridden patients, so no one tri d to shrink it. Musk is billing this as a medical device, but the only reason to shrink it, is for people that dont need it.

He's predicting regular healthy people using it, so he's dumping crazy money into this. And there just isn't a big enough consumer base for it, even if it wasn't musk making it.

So even if it works, he ain't making money from it.

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Shrinking it would be very useful for people that have disabilities that don't leave them bedridden.

Hopefully they have other options than Muskshit. Anything he touches is unsafe

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[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

I'll implant a bullet in my head before any tech directly touches my neurons.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

But you can be a cyberpunk!

[-] dgriffith@aussie.zone 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dreams of a cyberpunk future where the sum total of the world's knowledge of any subject can be just a thought away

Most likely reality:

Popup ads are now intrusive thoughts. 40 percent of your implant's processing power is spent looking for cues in your environment to better serve you "curated content" (i.e. advertising). Knowledge is still somewhat freely available but just after this quick shout out to our sponsors.

When you're looking for something specific it's a coin toss whether you get actual knowledge or an AI hallucination and you can't tell the difference. You can pay $279.99/mo for premium access to verified sources, but if your licence expires you forget everything.

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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

As someone who would be open to modifying my mind, not with shitty Musk tech. Not with cars rated like his and rockets that fail regularly.

[-] maness300@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Try psychedelics.

[-] cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

Do you think the first subject is actually an Elon simp, or are they ethical enough to weed them out?

[-] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe shocking the brain of Elon simps will fix their broken brains.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

My mind is blown enough by the "what if we already have this in our heads from birth and it's controlling everything we see and we just don't know it" thought experiment to ever voluntarily do something like this. But I hope everyone is fine.

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

FIRST MUSK MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER VICTIM TO BE REVEALED IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS….

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 9 months ago

FIRST

Fam, the Teslas have been manslaughtering around for a while.

[-] pushka@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

the driver is the crumple-zone~

[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 9 months ago

I still laugh when I remember that for years they kept saying that the auto pilot was turned off every time some tesla crashed, until it was finally revealed that the auto pilot turns off automatically when it detects an imminent crash it can't avoid.

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