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"Heads up, there won’t be a WAN Show this week. Instead, we will continue to focus on addressing issues raised both internally and by the community during our production break. We appreciate you all for your patience."

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[-] infinitevalence@discuss.online 114 points 1 year ago

Kinda bummed but also a good choice unless it was Luke and someone else.

Don't really need Linus opening his mouth right now.

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 43 points 1 year ago

Tarren would be interesting, but I suspect he is probably very hesitant to go live and unfiltered. He has seen how that worked for his predecessor :/

[-] UnicornHarrison@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

WAN Show's real appeal (to me, at least) has always been the unfiltered and real time conversations. Though as of late, those conversations have been more about creating controversy then real discussion 😐

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago

Agreed, that is why I like it as well. A lot of the controversy is the community taking their unfiltered words and twisting them, rather than listening for the actual intent that is being expressed. Without the Luke saves Linus would have burned the whole company to the ground a long time ago. Hard R etc :D

[-] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 13 points 1 year ago

If you use a phrase in a way nobody else uses, and asks people to read your mind for what you actually meant, then you already failed as a public facing communicator.

[-] WeirdAlex03@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago

Iirc Linus genuinely thought "hard R" refered to the word starting with R (r****d), not the one ending in R (n****r). He thought he was using it the same as everyone else, unaware that no he very much was not. Meanwhile, Luke was watching his career flash before his eyes

[-] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago
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[-] anubis119@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

I'm glad they recognize the gravity of the situation and are treating this as a true existential moment for the company.

[-] 7heo@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure Linus saw the absolute shitstorm he was about to face in all 3 chats, and ran the other way.

[-] Gobbel2000@feddit.de 41 points 1 year ago

Either that or the whole management team had to drag him away kicking and screaming so he wouldn't throw more oil into the fire.

[-] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yvonne said she was the one that put her foot down after his post. The entire vibe I got out of that apology video was "alright, we're raining in Linus and fixing this shit"

[-] jwagner7813@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My guess is this. Tong probably said "Linus, shut the fuk up and disappear for a little bit".

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 49 points 1 year ago

As much as I like WAN show, it does seem a bit symptomatic of the overwork. They go until after midnight on a Friday night? And frequently they call someone who should be home?

Merch messages have metastasized it a bit. Maybe they should just prerecord it during work hours, and answer merch messages from the previous week? Would be less interactive, but most of the curated merch messages seem to be general questions anyway, rather than topic specific questions? They could still automatically show current merch messages in the banner as the video goes live?

I at least hope they are either paying Dan overtime or letting him shift his hours around.

[-] kryllic@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hope Dan is getting reimbursed as well, though if Madison's claim about time off is to be believed, I don't have much confidence in that.

A bit of a side tangent, but the way Linus talks to Dan has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way. There's jokey "Dan wants me to do this but I'm gonna do this instead" banter that's ok but there are times where Linus just seems to openly disregard Dan and blame him for his own fuckups on the show. Not trying to be a parasocial Andy here but it does make the podcast harder to listen to, imo.

[-] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

Linus has this attitude with everyone. The reason you see it more with Dan is because it's Live.

He has an attitude problem

[-] 7heo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I was really annoyed when, during the Billet Labs monoblock "review" video, I saw Linus berating his cohost for not guessing shit he wanted, while the cohost was very obviously trying his best to do all he could while respectfully staying out of Linus's way.

And that's just one example in a single video.

Damned if you do, damned is you don't. You just can't win.

[-] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hand me the scissors /s

[-] HumbleFlamingo@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

It's really off-putting to me too, even if it was truly fake banter. And I'm no longer sure it's even mostly fake banter.

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

I know what you mean. Without knowing their personal relationship it can seem a bit cruel at times.

[-] Nucelar@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

They went about this in the last episode and Dan was actually so into it that Linus felt bad.

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[-] Girtablulu@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago

Yes he does, he gets reminded quite often to put in the overtime

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

That's good, thanks for letting us know, I must have missed it whenever that has been said.

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[-] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

That's the exact same thing I'm thinking every time I'm watching. I wouldn't stay at work after midnight on every single Friday that's for sure.

[-] Lypropos@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But when you take in over $10k an hour in merch, you might put up with it.

Their leaked internal WAN Show dashboard: Leaked Merch Messages dashboard

[-] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That's crazy.

[-] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Another symptom of the overwork is that I believe they're late to start most weeks?

[-] Bangs42@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago
[-] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 17 points 1 year ago

If they continue it meant they value tradition more than righting the wrongs. Remember that it's deep seated tradition that allowed the work culture to fester in the first place.

Not to mention all the chats would be bombarded.

Lastly I think Dan deserves a break.

[-] CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Good. They need to take this shit seriously. This could be (imo should be) the end of LTT.

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Why should it be the end of LTT? That's so not constructive! We should strive toward forcing a change at the company, but not ending its existence! There are many people employed there, and whatever has occurred regarding Madison, only a fraction of those working there 9 to 5 will have had anything to do with it.

[-] jwagner7813@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not in the crowd of should be, and I'm all for second chances. But, I could see why someone wouldn't want Linus, and a company under his name, to not be successful because of who he is and what's happening. Liking a product but not the person behind it is ok. Making a choice not to support either is also ok.

[-] TopHat@compuverse.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Does anyone have any suitable "alternatives" in podcasts which are similar to the WAN Show in atmosphere? (As in: longer conversations about tech-adjecent topics) I don't feel comfortable wanting to go near LMG's content (my only consistent watching was the WAN Show to be frank) after these discoveries.

[-] hihellobyeoh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Probably the level 1 techs various shows, used to be one big thing but now I think they release different "categories" each day or something, it's been a while since I've watched them, damn you YouTube messing with my feed.

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