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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 189 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

(US Perspective) It's hard to boycott food when like 10 companies own everything. Even store brands are just re-packaged "name" brands.

Edit: Obligatory: Fuck Nestle. I'm already boycotting the whole left side of that chart.

[-] person@lemm.ee 47 points 8 months ago

Not trying to gotcha you or nothing, but it's funny, that image being hosted on amazon aws.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 33 points 8 months ago

Haha. I was going to upload it to my own instance, but AWS-hosted media typically don't block hotlinking. Saves me some bandwidth egress costs and storage xD

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago

Fuck Nestle indeed. I've been boycotting their shit since they started hawking water bottled in communities without reliable access to clean water.

[-] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago

That's not even just a US perspective. That definitely applies to North America in general and Europe. There are supposedly anti-monopoly laws but huh, would you look at that... it's almost like they're ineffective.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

While the corporations own the government, the government will never effectively police the corporations.

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[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

My local farmers market is really nice.

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[-] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

Donxc forget the other issues on supermarket chain. Which are also an oligopoly.

One of the reason why european farmer are getting angry is that they are pushed to sell at low prices by supermarket purchasing departments and see the price of their products multiplied by 10 when sold to the consumer.

Not consuming highly processed food from Nestle is doable. Not buying anything at the supermarket gets complicated unless you have money and time (and I wouldn't be surprised that many neighbourhood and organic shop still buy food through the large supermarket purchasing chain)

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Nestle owns a whole lot more than what's shown on that chart.

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[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

!fucknestle@lemmy.ml

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[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 101 points 8 months ago

I tried boycotting food but then I got hungry.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 69 points 8 months ago

It's not possible to boycott a brand over an action if every other brand is doing the same fucking thing.

[-] andyburke@fedia.io 14 points 8 months ago

... some friends and I have been discussing a monthly meetup where we exchange around food or other things we do, like handiwork. I wonder what's involved in baking up a bunch of corn flakes that aren't made of garbage? Maybe it'd be fun to have people over and figure it out. Mix up the recipe a little each month, or pass it around between the group members.

I'm not trying to shame you like this is obvious, but I have also been thinking about "how can I escape this corporate hellscape???" and this is starting to be more the direction I'm heading.

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 6 points 8 months ago

People have tried that before - every attempt at a utopian society has failed. e.g. perhaps someone will bring "homemade milk", and after the 99th time people begin to relax and whoopsie forget to check it, then a large portion of the group gets exposed to a serious illness, maybe many die, the problems with communal actions get revealed.

Or else that person decides to get REALLY serious with their milk, and people decide to help chip in each week to defray the costs... and voila, capitalism is rediscovered!:-D

Though for the therapeutic benefits alone, it's probably mostly worthwhile - and anyway I'm cynical and bitter so please don't let that stop you:-). Probably the fact that you can see people's faces that would be affected by everyone's actions may make the difference?

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago

What am I going to do? Starve? There isn't a grocery store in my area that's not doing this. So those are my choices.

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[-] Zorque@kbin.social 44 points 8 months ago

Because boycotting food means you starve.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It doesn't matter, because boycotts are generally futile since they at best only address skin level symptoms (at worst, and almost always - you're just giving your money to a different scummy capitalist), they can't cure the cancer, which is precisely why they're touted as a wonderful solution (by capitalists trying to ensure the public don't take any meaningful action against them).

[-] julianschmulian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 months ago

I partly agree but I do think you have cause and effect (or disease and symptom if you will) swapped around. You‘re saying people don‘t do boycotts because they are futile. I would say it‘s the other way around and to answer OPs question, I think it largely comes down to commodity and mindlessness. But either way I think you are definitely right to suggest there must be systemic change and that all of this co2 compensation bullshit is just corporations guilt-tripping us into thinking we can consume our way out of this mess. However, the problem is that both approaches, the personal boycotts and the systemic change share a common factor, which is the requirement of mass action. If people aren‘t mindful enough to stop buying a particular kind of yoghurt, how are you ever going to get them to vote, much less stage a revolution? I think we need to get out of our passivity and boycotting things is a step in the right direction to establish a feel for personal agency.

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[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 39 points 8 months ago

Boycotts work in luxury markets with strong competition. Necessity markets with highly concentrated monopolies? No chance. Without legislation to protect consumers, they are powerless to defend themselves against the greed and exploitation of corporate interests.

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 28 points 8 months ago

The biggest shrinkflation culprit is food. People need food. Recent trends do, in fact, show that American consumers have been switching to cheaper brands and reducing consumption of some items, but boycotting is unrealistic. People need to eat and a handful of massive corporations own most brands.

[-] odigo2020@lemmy.zip 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What, haven't you all spent three months to grow one head of lettuce? Just skip breakfast for breakfast and eat cereal for dinner!

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[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In my view, the issue is that most people are not willing to change their own patterns in the slightest.

It's always somebody else's responsibility to give things exactly how they want. Personal responsibility and decisions have no play.

"Fuck Nestle. Oh yeah but I needed water, what was I supposed to do, die? I had no choice but to purchase water in plastic, there was no other store around and I don't know how to plan for my needs in advance. There is simply no way to anticipate that I could have needed water and fill a reusable bottle before I leave the house."

"The price of fast food is insane. It does not occur to me that I don't need to purchase this, and I have no inherent right to get it at a cheap price. It has also never occurred to me to go to the grocery store. Oh wait, yes it actually did occur to me, but I really don't want to cook, I want somebody else to make the food for me and for it to be cheap."

Personally, I'm done with Sony, I'm done with Nestle, I'm done with Walmart, I'm done with fast food, I'm done with Netflix. I'm done with all the places that behave unethically, and it would not be fair of me to complain about them while also patronizing them. I don't think you'll find this attitude in general population.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

It's also because "the free market will fix it" is neoliberal bullshit that is pushed precisely because it doesn't work. It's just a way of blaming consumers for the horrifically immoral actions of corporations and they've suckered you right in.

Regulations could immediately stop Nestle using child slaves, no boycotts required.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I hate Walmart too and we definitely gave up fast food. But my only other choice for groceries is Reasors and they are fucking us on prices. So where do I shop for my groceries?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

This guy wouldn't know the meaning of the phrase "food desert" if it hit him at 60 mph while he was in a crosswalk.

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

It's a tough pill to swallow

But 150 years ago, folks were being given swaths of land, not knowing dick about that land, just for like... Fighting in wars.

Now, they let veterans starve and kill themselves.

Just saw a sad gif of a long line at the Costco rotisserie chicken stand.

People won't say enough is enough until they're hungry.

We're close.

The most lucrative positions are experiencing enormous layoffs.

2025-2030 is going to be WWIII and the greatest class war.of all time.

I just hope shit turns out okay for 2030 and beyond. Global warming ain't making that likely.

Sorry for doomer. But we either have a Renaissance era and burn or have an enslavement era and burn. I'm not loving the odds.

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 9 points 8 months ago

I am not a historian, but I get a sense that perhaps the intellectuals at least seemed to think that democracy (in the USA specifically, but also perhaps everywhere?) were just waiting to see how this grand "experiment" turns out. So there has practically always (since 1776 when the fire of democracy was re-ignited in the world after its long hiatus) been this expectation that we might someday fail, and each time something highly challenging comes around they likely re-visited that thought that perhaps it would be soon?

The difference is that this time, it's for real. Even if there were solves already in-place for both globalization and automation, how would climate change be dealt with? I am not saying that it's a 100% certainty - nothing ever truly is, until it has already happened - but I am agreeing with you that there seems less room for hope than ever before, that our way of life will survive intact.

I predict, for instance, that people will start demanding that their employers offer them housing. They might even start demanding longer-term contracts. In essence, they WANT slavery, as opposed to what is coming: anarchy & lawlessness. What good is "freedom" when you have no home, no job, no food, and can't do what you want anyway? This whole "government = bad" idea will cause many people to take refuge in the only other thing that offers even a glimpse of a good(-ish) life: enslavement to corporations. In return they will house, feed, and clothe you - if only barely - and you will in turn commit your very soul to looking after their needs rather than your own, including devoting every waking moment of... oh my, we are already there! (except without the "taking care of you part")

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Your dystopia doesn't account for automation. Corporations don't even want your labour.

A social crisis seems inevitable on our current trajectory.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

Then for WHO are the corporations creating products for? There isn't a growing pool of rich people. It's shrinking.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

The difference is that this time, it's for real. Even if there were solves already in-place for both globalization and automation, how would climate change be dealt with?

When I was a kid all the churches said that globalization was a sure sign that we're in the end times. I think it's interesting that you now quote that as one of the signs that we are.

What good is "freedom" when you have no home, no job, no food, and can't do what you want anyway?

This is defeatism. It's surrender. There was a group of men 247 years ago who demanded death if not given liberty. They would rather die than live under monarchial rule any longer. We have fallen quite far if a return to corporate servitude is considered a viable option a mere hundred years after defeating its last ugly resurgence during the industrial revolution. You do not reward your oppressors with capitulation, you reward them with combat.

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[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 19 points 8 months ago

What I think could actually help would be to put into law that the per-weight price needs to be displayed just as prominently as the actual total price.

The problem right now is that largely people don't notice if the packaging is the same size but the weight is slightly lower and the price is the same. If the per-weight price was shown as prominently as the actual price, people might suddenly notice the price hike more easily.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Or at least require actual prices instead of crap like "3 for $8.00 with card". You have to read through several different fine-print prices at the very bottom of the label to find what the actual price is.

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[-] Maestro@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago

We have per weight pricing on a lot of items in The Netherlands. It's great for comparing different items when you're in the supermarket, but doesn't really work against shrinkification. You simply don't remember the price-per-kg from last week.

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[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Boycott Nestlé

Do this first, boycott other companies who make a profit with child-labor and exploiting the poor. Don't buy from companies that steal people's water. Destroy the rainforest or harm animals unnecessarily.

I think this is far more important. Feel free to boycott shrinkflation on top. I try to do all of that if I get that choice and can afford it and have the knowledge available to me. But those products are also still on the shelves.

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[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 16 points 8 months ago

We live in an apartment. I can't grow my own food. What do you expect us to eat? Do you have any idea how hard it is to actually avoid buying products that support one of these greedy brands? It's almost everything on the shelf.

[-] TruthAintEasy@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

When 'let them eat kellogs' becomes more of a reality

You see, were old poor. Were used to it. You need new poor to really get things going

[-] Behaviorbabe@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

I certainly have stoped buying a lot of things. Skipping our vacation this year as well. I’m never gonna spend $8 on a box of cereal, they can get fucked on that price point. Buying more in bulk at Costco. I already didn’t use Amazon.

[-] MasterHound@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

It's so effective, but you just can't expect to get everyone on board sadly. Unfortunately it seems that there will always be those that value the convenience of Amazon, for example, over pushing for real change. Look at Bud Light, I hated the reasoning behind the boycott but it showed just how powerful collective action can be against corporations.

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[-] JammaJammaPJ@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago

When Wendy's surge pricing kicks in?

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