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r/Android is now on the Fediverse! (libreddit.domain.glass)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by faltuuser@lemmy.world to c/android@lemmy.world

Android news, reviews, tips, and discussions about rooting, tutorials, and apps.

General discussion about devices is welcome. Please direct technical support, upgrade questions, buy/sell, app recommendations, and carrier-related issues to other communities. Join Here: !android@lemdro.id https://lemdro.id/c/android

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[-] Devgard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Update on the post This post was not made by the mods of @android@Android@lemdro.id. This was made by a fellow fan of r/Android and was not made to siphon/steal users as I and many others have incorrectly assumed, so please don't attack the mods of @android@Android@lemdro.id as they don't mean any harm!

[-] faltuuser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sorry for the late reply (I had not checked Lemmy for a while).

I am just an Android enthusiast and not affiliated with r/Android in any capacity. I genuinely failed to realise that it might be inappropriate and disrespectful towards your community to post this here. I saw the announcement in r/Android and got excited. I should have posted this in other relevent communities.

Apologies for any inconvenience or offense that I may have caused.

[-] Devgard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's all good :)

[-] Devgard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In respect to you guys modding the original r/Android, I will leave this up, unlocked. But please, don't make any more new posts here advertising r/Android V2.

~~Let the games begin I guess.~~

Edit: Please read this.

[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why shouldn't they do "r/Android V2" posts? Is android@lemmy.world "The Android community"? Are we going to put a non-compete rule in writing or spirit for this community? How tone-deaf would this be in the current Reddit upheaval context? The Fediverse is literally about anti-monopilization. !android@lemmy.world just so happens to be one community named "Android" among others on other instances. It also happens to be on the largest instance for now. But a successful, large community doesn't have to be on the largest instance. That's not how federation works. Ultimately all of us users check the number of user subs before we subscribe or we just sub to all. Being the first to register this community on this instance isn't what's gonna determine that. Whichever "The Android community" becomes on Lemmy, it requires moderation work and likely that will determine the final result. If the /r/Android mods want to tell us where the new version of it is, they can do that in a lot more channels than "!android@lemmy.worldโ€, like the various tech or Reddit related communities across the instances. Someone posting this here shouldn't trigger any special feelings in my opinion as it's no different or significantly more influential. The battle for creating a Reddit alternative is much bigger one than who's gonna claim they own this or that piece of land. So I'd welcome every free labor team (mod teams) from Reddit to Lemmy and help them get started even if it means that I have to cede some space. We supported these folks during the blackouts, why should we stop doing so when they decided to migrate? Isn't that the logical continuation of the same events?

[-] Devgard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Let me explain my reply.

From my POV, OP's post initially came across as advertisement, but targeted. Imagine that this community is an Apple store. To me this post seemed as if Samsung or Google had put up an ad directly in the middle of the store, trying to take back some customers.

It was my mistake to assume that OP posting was one of the mods.

I'm 100% ok with both communities co-existing, after all, the more content there is, the more likely the Fediverse will succeed. The only reason I was annoyed at first, was because of an advertisement for a similar community that came out of nowhere, with no notice/warning whatsoever, which in hindsight is completely understandable as this post wasn't at all made by the mods over at !android@lemdro.id.

Tl;dr I just wasn't comfortable with how the advertisement just appeared, as it seemed like a direct attack to steal people, but I was most definitely wrong with my assumptions. My reply was made solely on the assumption that the mods of !android@lemdro.id had posted this, and for that I am sorry.

[-] ijeff@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We didn't post this one up! I posted on /r/android shortly before bed and felt it would've been in bad taste if we had posted here without discussing with you folks first (I also admittedly slept in, as it's a holiday today for Canada Day Weekend).

I was actually hoping to reach out to you and Mike to see if you're interested in joining our mod team on !android@lemdro.id. We hope to carry forward the same kind of content philosophy from /r/android prior to our lockdowns, namely discussions and items of collective interest, and avoiding specific, technical support questions that can overtake large communities - and think you both align pretty well with our overall emphasis on keeping it civil and cordial.

For a bit of background on the instance, @cole@lemdro.id has been spending quite some time getting lemdro.id setup and optimized for us with a focus on ensuring backend scalability to handle load. The hope was to have an instance where major tech and other subreddits could feel comfortable moving to, without the significant performance issues that could leave folks with bad first impressions (a number of us were around for the waves of migration from Digg to Reddit).

Folks are currently reaching out to their respective mod teams at other large tech subreddits to see if there's interest in joining Lemmy as well. We also have a number of developers with us exploring opportunities to contribute code improvements and fill gaps within the Lemmy ecosystem (e.g., accessibility improvements, moderator tools, fighting spam), with at least one bug fix already contributed to the Lemmy Github!

If you and Mike are interested, please do reach out! It would be great to have you both. Given Lemmy doesn't support group PMs or Modmail, let me know if you want to connect somewhere else - I'm on Telegram, Discord, and Element but would be happy to chat anywhere.

[-] mikestevens@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks Jeff, I appreciate the candour and respectful response here. I confess I was initially miffed that somebody would promote a 'competing' c here, but I quickly realised I'm not interested in rivalries here. Life's busy enough as it is!

I think we're doing pretty well here, but the idea of an instance dedicated to tech is appealing. Happy to chat about it. I'm @mikestevens on Telegram.

[-] Devgard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for clarifying and for the consideration, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out.

Regarding my response earlier, I made that reply on the assumption that it were you guys who put this up as a way to take some users back, which taking a step back now, I see that I was very wrong.

I'll be making a new mod reply to this post, which should clarify any misunderstandings to prevent new people viewing this post from accidentally making the same assumption I have made.

If you need to contact me, shoot me a DM and I can share my Telegram details there :)

[-] throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Good move guys! Enjoy you stay here! ๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽ‰

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Read the room, it's not a "good move", it's a dick move against [!android@lemmy.world](/c/android@lemmy.world) mods who built this community when r/Android was radio silent about us and never helped, it's disrespectful. It's only now after they saw Redditors migrating to Lemmy that they thought they should join too, but only by launching a tiny duplicate community because it hurts their ego to let go of their mod positions and join an already established Android community. What adds insult to injury is that they come here and astroturf as if [!android@lemmy.world](/c/android@lemmy.world) doesn't exist, hoping to absorb its users.

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yea, I mean, if you're a mod, go apply to be one at the new community. I think a lot of new communities would welcome the experience the vet mods have.

I modded a country sub and it's not my business to tell the sub where to go and when to go. It's their community, they make the decision themselves.

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[-] rimlogger@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Can you explain what the controversy is about? So the /r/Android mods tried to start an Android community on the fediverse but other people got to them first? How are they astroturfing?

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[-] Relected@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Wander@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago
[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago
[-] somada2kk@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"Feels like old time already"

[-] Mereo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Meh. For me, this community replaces r/android. No thanks you.

[-] DeadGemini@waveform.social 2 points 1 year ago

You know, you can join both lol

[-] Mereo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah but... It just feels weird that the Reddit mods came blasting here as if they were the true Android representatives from Google.

I actually like the idea of a lot of the bigger subs getting their own instances. Makes it easier to organize different topics than the flair by just creating separate communities.

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[-] slinky317@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I feel like they're a little late to the party. They should have had this ready to go once they decided they were going to prolong their protest.

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Same for me! ๐Ÿ˜

[-] Teppic@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago
[-] sab@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

That's the link for the lemmy.world instance, but the android community seems to have launched their own instance at https://lemdro.id. That one seems to have trouble federating with us.

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[-] Hairyblue@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I was part of that subreddit and welcome them to the Fediverse. But I'm in kbin and my efforts to join them are not working. Hope there is a fix for this soon.

Side question: Is there a website with a list of all interest/communities and its address so we could just search that website and add all the sites we wanted to kbin?

[-] Armetron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

https://lemmyverse.net/communities Once you go to the site on the top right there's an icon of a house click it and set your local instance. From there you're free to search all communities by name and by instance location and once you click on them it will open using your local instance automatically. From there you simply have to subscribe

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[-] sloonark@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

So we have separate Android communities running on separate instances. I can't see how this community splintering can be a good thing.

[-] zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago
  1. As time goes one community will emerge as the main one while other would dry up and naturally become obsolete (until people get angry with the mods of main one and start looking for alternative community, similar to how there are r/truegaming, r/true(x) etc for popular subreddits.)

  2. There are many open PRs on lemmy github on how to aggregate similar communities. For example there is a suggestion of making an auto multireddit like thing, m/gaming for example, that would merge posts from every c/gaming community (not sure how this would work with defederation and stuff). With enough demand, something like that can be added to lemmy by an experienced dev.

[-] coldhotman@nrsk.no 0 points 1 year ago

People have been saying the same thing about 1. for years and now things are worse than ever.

How can there be one main community when instances keep defederating?

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

Things like defederation and having communities with the same topic on different instances are actually good things, they're features of the Fediverse not problems.

It takes a bit of adapting to the Fediverse mindset as opposed to the centralized platform mindset but there are solutions:

  • Having multiple communities like OP said is a good thing, let's see which one rises to the top.
  • There are already Lemmy clients that can subscribe to accounts on multiple instances and merge everything seamlessly for you.
  • A multireddit-like feature will probably be implemented eventually, and I suspect it will also be a client feature not a server feature, because it makes much more sense on the client.
[-] zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

The beehaw and world defederation (which I assume you are referencing) is temporary because beehaw believes the increased traffic cannot be moderated without proper mod tools.

And while you're right about mainstream things like gaming or technology won't have a single main community, I feel more niche communities will be able to setup their main communities. Obviouly that's just my opinion, but there are some signs of that happening already. (c/piracy for example)

[-] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Given instances can get defederated because of one sublemmy... pressing big X to doubt on that

[-] big_duck_energy@partizle.com 1 points 1 year ago

sublemmy

Man, I hope that doesn't catch on.

[-] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Okay, it is a stupid name, I admit. Better alternative?

[-] EarlTurlet@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Lemmy already calls it a community. It's all over the UI, code, everything. Why call it something else?

[-] Wander@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago

It's just like having different subreddits about the same topic. Just subscribe to both.

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think what he meant is why launch a second exact same community, with merely 300 subscribers, when there's already an established one like !android@lemmy.world which has now more than 15k subscribers? I noticed that behavior with the r/neovim mods too, they refused to join an existing community. My guess is simply that they want to be in a community where they are still in charge of everything, they're too addicted to their mod "powers" to let go of them.

Back to OP, I think the whole thread and the way r/Android mods just hoped to absorb users of this community is completely inappropriate and simply disrespectful.

[-] coldhotman@nrsk.no 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[-] hillbicks@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I get your point but there is a good solution for this.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113

Basically a feature request to have the option for multi subreddits or communities. This way we get centralized content without the disadvantages of decentralization.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 1 year ago

Don't like the direction of one? You get options. Like them both? Subscribe to both. It's like getting Gamers Nexus and LTT, different perspective but overlapping community.

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