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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/13880246

I have a terrible el-cheapo 14" HP laptop that I bought from a big-box store a few years ago as an emergency replacement for a laptop that died on me on the road while visiting a customer. I literally went to the store 5 minutes before it closed, bought any laptop they had, loaded Linux on it at the hotel and transferred my files from the dead laptop overnight, then did my presentation the next morning.

The trouble is, that laptop is VERY Linux unfriendly. I've put up with it for years because I don't like to throw things away, but I just can't stand the regular AMDGPU driver crashes and the broke-ass wifi-cum-bluetooth Realtek chipset anymore.

So I'm on the market for a good Linux laptop. I'm not a demanding user - I use that HP laptop to edit videos and do CAD and I'm okay with it - I'm very comfortable with anything Linux and I can code my way around problems.

I'm really tempted to get a MNT Reform laptop: I like the LiFePo4 battery cells a lot, it's solid, it's open hardware, it has a trackball and I love trackballs, it's highly hackable, and I'd like to support the MNT Research guys. And I'm old enough and the kids have been out of the house long enough that money is no object.

But a couple of things are holding me back. Maybe there are MNT Reform owners here who could shed some light on the following questions:

  • I don't know much of the ARM ecosystem, and what to expect from what processor / SoC. So I'm thinking of going with the highest end RK3588 32GB / 256GB CPU module offered by MNT. Would this at least match the performances of my stupid HP laptop's Ryzen 5 CPU in terms of real-world performances?

    Or put another way: should I expect to take a hit when encoding my videos or doing big CAD models compared to this already slow laptop, or can I reasonably expect the MNT Reform to at least not be a regression.

    Side question (yes, I know it should be obvious, but asking is better than guessing): I assume the "32GB / 256GB" in the CPU module's denomination is for 32GB of RAM and 256GB of onboard flash. Meaning I'd have that much disk space without needing to add a NVMe SSD card. Correct?

  • The keyboard layout looks all shades of terrible. I'm flexible with anything but not keyboard layouts - and especially those keyboard that don't put the left SHIFT and CTRL at the bottom where they belong, or have a split space bar.

    The Reform's keyboard ticks all the wrong boxes for me in that respect: I can tell rightaway that it's going to fight my typing muscle memory all the time and forever, because I sure ain't gonna get used to it.

    Can I remap the keys so I can at least I can swap CTRL and whatever that key is at the bottom left, and make the 3 buttons that replace the space bar act as a space bar? Then it's just a matter of putting a sticker on the keys and gluing the space bar keycaps together somehow.

  • I seem to recall some years ago that if the laptop was left off and unplugged for long enough - like 2 weeks IIRC - it would drain the cells and kill them because there was no under-voltage protection. Less dramatically but equally annoyingly, you couldn't leave it unplugged for a few days and expect to find it fully charged when you needed it most.

    Does it still do that? Or has the hardware been fixed - or maybe there's a "Turn really off" option in the little side computer that runs the mini OLED display?

    Mind you, I can always drill a hole and add a physical switch to disconnect the cells, but I'd rather not do that.

  • Is there an option to limit the charge? Keeping Li-ion cells constantly at 100% (or worse, charging all the time) when the laptop is plugged in isn't ideal. I'd rather it kept the cells charged around 80% . And I mostly use my laptops plugged in.

  • Can I remove the cells and use the laptop plugged in? I might eschew the cells altogether, because I really never need them: I'm plugged in at home, I'm plugged in on the train, I'm plugged in at the hotel, I'm plugged in at the customer's. I can't remember a time when I needed to run this particular laptop on battery. If I can use the laptop as a luggable computer, I wouldn't need to carry the weight of the cells around.

  • Has anybody tried to install Cinnamon? Does it work well on Debian ARM? I see no reason why it shouldn't, but maybe there are issues.

Well that's pretty much it. Sorry for the long post ๐Ÿ™‚ There's precious little information about the MNT Reform out there - probably a good indication that there are precious few such machines in the wild, sadly - so I would welcome any real-world user feedback!

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[-] skilltheamps@feddit.de 5 points 8 months ago

I don't have one, I can only tell you that you can change the keyboard layout. The Readme of the firmware sourcecode says:

To change the keyboard layout, adjust the matrix arrays in keyboard.c.

https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/tree/master/reform2-keyboard-fw

You might find more information in the mnt forum, it is here: https://community.mnt.re/

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago
[-] Kory@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Sorry for not answering your question, just wanted to say, I have a similar HP Laptop bought under similar circumstances and it IS Linux unfriendly (you cannot even update the BIOS without Windows). But Linux Mint handles it very well. It was the first distro that got the WiFi working without headaches and it also handles the AMD card well.

I hope someone can answer your actual question and you get something you're happy with.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The AMD GPU on that laptop of mine is a Vega 6. It works most of the time, unless I switch VT - which happens every time I log out to log as another user - and the screen becomes corrupted one out of five times.

On top of that, it regularly refuses to wake from sleep. I know it's the AMDGPU driver's fault because older versions don't do that (but they have other problems).

As for wifi / BT, they're handled by a RTL8821CE. The wifi regularly goes deaf and forces me to reboot the machine. Bluetooth was flaky at best, and now it plain refuses to pair because of some bug in the latest version of the Bluez stack that the driver isn't compatible with.

If your laptop uses the same components and it works, I must have bought a lemon I guess. If it uses different components, I can well believe that it works better, because it can hardly work worse than mine.

I use Mint too. I'm running Virginia, and upgrading from Uma was a complete regression for this machine. I hate it with a burning passion (the machine, not Mint ๐Ÿ™‚).

[-] Kory@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

Oh my, you are really patient for putting up with all this for such a long time. Yes, I have slightly different components, not the exact same ones, but it was also a mess to get it to work properly.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago

Well, like I said, I don't like to throw things away that work - and I believe it would work well with Windows. But now it's well and truly used, so my plan for it after I get a replacement is to format it, reinstall Windows and donate it to someone in need.

[-] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

Sorry for not answering your question, just wanted to say thanks for crossposting your post as I never knew there was libre hardware community here ๐Ÿ˜

[-] DiscoShrew@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

Did you end up going for the MNT reform?

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago

I did not. There's not enough of a community behind it for support. Meaning I have a feeling this one will be mostly trouble.

[-] DiscoShrew@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

I've been musing over it since they made the RK3588 processor module for it. That's a much more widely used chip and there should be more documentation on it floating around. I just love the idea of open source hardware, and the replaceable battery cells are neat. I love the thick form factor too. I'm good with computers but I'm not a wizard or anything, which is my hesitation. I know the Reform NEXT is supposed to be more user friendly, but a framework is a more sensible option for a "normal" usecase. But it doesn't have the pizaaz the reform does.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

There's a lot to love about the Reform - not least of which is the chunky form factor, which I like better than thin stuff too, and the replaceable cells. But... I need a trouble-free machine as my daily driver first and foremost, and I know the Reform will fight me right out of the box. I mean as a secondary machine explore and play with, it totally makes sense. But I don't need that. I have enough projects to play with that take all my free time.

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