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Walt Disney Co on Friday said that remarks by activist investor Nelson Peltz criticizing the company for making movies dominated by female and Black actors is evidence that he shouldn't be on Disney's board.

Peltz, whose fight to join Disney as a director has become one of the year's most bitter and closely watched board battles, in an interview with the Financial Times said Disney's films have become too focused on delivering a message, and not enough on quality storytelling. He specifically took issue with "The Marvels" and "Black Panther."

“Why do I have to have a Marvel that’s all women? Not that I have anything against women, but why do I have to do that?" Peltz said in the interview, published on Friday. "Why can’t I have Marvels that are both? Why do I need an all-Black cast?”

Asked about Peltz's remarks, a Disney spokesperson responded: "This is exactly why Nelson Peltz shouldn't be anywhere near a creatively driven company."

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 138 points 8 months ago

I don’t know much about Peltz but I kind of agree that you don’t NEED to have all black or all women cast. The art should dictate it. But on the flip side, having an all black or all women cast isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Representation in media may not matter to some, but it can make a big impact on others.

Furthermore, most of Africa is black. What were you expecting out of Black Panther????

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 27 points 8 months ago

It’s like making a movie about Themyscira, (DC I know) and having one of the main characters be a man.

[-] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

It's been a minute since I saw Black Panther. But didn't they shoehorn Martin Freeman's character to add some white diversity as a token white guy?

[-] roy_mustang76@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 8 months ago

Everett Ross is associated with Black Panther in the comics as well... And is basically a token there. But his existence predates the Disney acquisition.

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 8 months ago

Sure, it isn't necessary, but would he say the same thing about an all white or all male cast? That's the default, so having something to show the default isn't the only option is good too. As a cis straight white man, I don't give a fuck if there isn't a straight white man in a movie. Why should I? I see myself everywhere being validated. Let's give other people extra space because they've been denied it for so long.

[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 8 months ago

It's mostly not necessary, just like it's not necessary to have an all-white cast. In the last few years I came to realize that colorblind casting doesn't diminish great art, just like it won't help bad art to become better. I'm not saying casting should always be colorblind, but in sci-fi and fantasy movies I don't see skin color or gender matter at all.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 69 points 8 months ago

I mean why wouldn't the cast of the Black Panther be mainly black? That's just weird that you wouldn't have it that way. Also Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel are both female characters I don't know what this guy is after here. Why would he pick those examples?

[-] formergijoe@lemmy.world 69 points 8 months ago

They should do what the comics did when they were told there needed to be more white people in Black Panther and just have him start beating up the KKK.

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[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

All this guy is basically saying is “why make a movie that isn’t exactly the way I think?”

Embedded in his mindset is the idea that black people don’t deserve their own audience.

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What all black cast is he talking about? And yes the marvels was all women but... They didn't even fucking gender swap the characters like Ghostbusters or something like that?

And out of all the fucking MCU it's the only movie with three female leads.

Edit- Jesus Christ I'm an idiot. It hit me. He's bitching that Black panther was about black people isn't he??

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

He’s also upset that the black panther wore a black suit.

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 43 points 8 months ago

If you’re angry about the critical and financial success that is Black Panther, tells me you’re not an investor, just a racist idiot.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 38 points 8 months ago

Nelson Peltz was born in 1942. Maybe in 10 more years we won't have to put up with nearly as much of this bullshit since most of these out of touch racist fucks will hopefully be dead by then

[-] IonAddis@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh, there's young racist fucks too.

I was out doing some outdoor work last week, and I've basically the skintone of a vampire so I cover up, so I had a big unstylish fishing hat with a neck protector on. And some kids from the local junior high mocked me in terrible Spanish as they walked home. (And by terrible, I mean I could identify how bad it was and I haven't had Spanish classes in 20+ years and never was fluent in it and I could still tell it was bad.)

I'm not even Hispanic, but it made me mad enough with it happening just one time that it hurts inside to know similar stuff happens on a daily basis to other people. And some of it totally comes from young racist fucks.

[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 20 points 8 months ago

The mother of a racist is always pregnant.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Time for an abortion.

[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Hate to break it to you but the majority of Americans disagreed with interracial marriage until the fucking mid-90s.

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 26 points 8 months ago

Nelson Peltz is corporate cancer. He specializes in fleecing investors. He’s a far-right piece of shit. Fuck him especially.

[-] yogurt@lemm.ee 25 points 8 months ago

Fun story when they made that psycho Transformers movie with the laminated age of consent law and the product placement transformer made out of Oreo vending machines, Peltz's daughter is the teenager it's supposed to be legal to molest and Peltz was on the Oreo company board.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wait, what? What psycho transformers movie is this?!

Edit: nevermind. I looked up the scene. Whatever the fuck was that?!

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[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not that I have anything against women

Ahh, the misogynist's "no homo."

[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 months ago

"My mother was a woman"

[-] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

The Disney philosophy, at this point, is that people who have been unrepresented for years will take issue towards efforts that are not strictly made with inclusivity in mind and those who have been represented will accept it as progress, then the small few who take issue with “wokeness” will watch it because “it’s Disney”

Their gamble is paying off because lets face it, 90% of the world with a TV screen has grown up with Disney.

So while you might disagree with Disney’s take on X, Y or Z, that fucking mouse is so engrained on us that we will accept whatever bullshit they put forward

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

And let’s be honest, it’s not like they’re pushing anything immoral, obscene, etc.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

Their recent movies have been obscene insults to writing.

[-] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Yep. I've had no interest in watching the remakes but that's because I grew up with watching the originals as a kid but if I had kids then I would take them to see the remakes while they can watch the originals too. It's a non issue imo. The remakes aren't essential viewing for anyone.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 18 points 8 months ago

Martin Freeman is not black. Park Seo-joon is not a woman. Samuel L Jackson is not a woman—motherfucker.

[-] profdc9@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Why should I care about this? Do any of these people care about producing better entertainment that is not pandering or exploitative?

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[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

AGREED! Why should I use BLACK ACTORS just because the movie takes place in a country with MAJORITY Black People? And WHY on God's Green Earth should I cast WOMEN to play FEMALE Superheroes?

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago

Neither of those casts were all anything, apart from human.

[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Found the alien activist

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Ah, yes, the guy that forced his daughter to get a staring role in Avatar playing a 100% API role.

[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Why would you have a movie set in Africa have a nearly all black cast? He's seriously asking that? Apparently you don't need basic intelligence to be a billionaire. How often does he ask why shows like Billions or Succession have to be about white families?

[-] catch22@startrek.website 11 points 8 months ago

Where the sex or amount of melanin someone has isn't a defining characteristic of the story, it just shouldn't matter if you swap genders or whatever assuming similar levels of acting ability. Disney I generally see as a corporate whore, but good on them for sticking to this. Fuck you peltz.

[-] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

While I agree with what you're saying, Disney didn't change the gender or racial identities of the characters he's complaining about.

Ms. Marvel, Monica Rambeau, and Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel are all very well cast for their roles. They're practically plucked out of the pages of the comics, and match on race and gender identity from the source.

And Black Panther is about a super hero protector of a nation of black people. The answer to this racist's question is literally in the name of the movie.

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[-] Hillock@feddit.de 9 points 8 months ago

Changing the design of a beloved character was always met with criticism and skepticism. When James Bond was made blonde by casting Daniel Craig there was as much of an uproar amongst the fan base as when Ariel was made black.

If a movie is good, people will accept the design changes, if the movie is bad people will blame the design changes. And some people just never get over the design changes and will refuse to give it a chance.

The discussion is just a bit more heated because of the current social and political climate. But that's mostly by people who don't even care about the movie and just use the topic to stir the pot.

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