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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 171 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

~~Ukraine~~ United States is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid

The fact that everyone understands that the war in Ukraine is based on American backing means that it's a proxy war between the US and Russia.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 110 points 1 year ago (2 children)

$773 billion dollars last year spent on fighting "proxy" wars around the world (and if you count the spying, domestically).

The only one that America has actual moral footing to get behind is the only one we are pulling punches on.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hardly the first time. I'd argue the US made the same mistake in Afghanistan in 2003, diverting resources to Iraq because Bush Jr. had such a hard-on for Saddam.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

100%

With each passing day, Biden's administration looks like the Bush administration's bigger more right wing brother.

Citizens United needs to be overturned. The Pentagon budget needs to be at least halved. We need the 2 party system to end.

This will never happen if we keep voting for the lesser evil every 4 years.

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[–] triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

mm, delicious bait! 😋 go on then, which proxy war does the US have "actual moral footing" to get behind?

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 121 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Yes, no shit. That was the outlook from day 1.

The Russian Army is largely represented as a bunch of baffoons in the Western media, but it's still one of the 3 largest armies in the world. Ukraine cannot hold their lines indefinitely, the only way to "win" against an opponent that has multiple times your materiel available is guerilla.

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

They so desperately want their own version of Putin in the US. Where they get to kill their political opponents when they like.

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[–] lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 1 year ago (49 children)

The free world loses when Russia wins.

It's pretty much an invitation to China to do the same in Taiwan and an invitation for Russia to start more wars in eastern Europe.....

Helping Ukraine costs money. Not helping Ukraine costs even more.

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does the free world also include places America has invaded or bombed?

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Japan, SK, and Germany seem on board with aid to Ukraine... So yes

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[–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"free world" has the same weight here as "state's rights"

Downvote and move on, but just like the American genocide in Iraq, you will realize I'm right in ~20 years

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The free world loses when Russia wins.

I'd pay good money to watch the Anglos crash and burn tbh. Like, PPV amounts of money. At this point it might be the only way to avert climate collapse; if possible at all, and I have no material reason to want to see you propagate or prosper. Die faster; and do a backflip on your way down.

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[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 76 points 1 year ago (27 children)

People in this thread clearly don't understand what the implications are. There is a very clear danger of war on the European continent that will involve NATO and by proxy the US. Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option. Europe is not going to just let Ukraine fall and will ramp up their involvement. We already have France willing to send troops.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You don't understand that the only danger of further war is again from US/NATO. Europe is going to let Ukraine fall because it has no choice. France is a laughing stock. Even what they threatened to send could do nothing.

In the case of shells, the problem isn’t money, it’s lack of production capacity. Even the mighty USA, owner of the largest military-industrial complex in the world, can only produce 28,000 rounds of 155mm per month – less than 10pc of what Ukraine needs – and this with its factories on 24-hour operation.

Comment from the Torygrapgh readership:

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Gaddafi's is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.

Nukes are why the DPRK hasn't been invaded again, and why it hasn't ended up Libya is now.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 16 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for peace with Russia, then got invaded by Russia.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Biden frantically sends more aid to israel

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you've lost a war you weren't even fighting in. Fuck yeah!

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[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Definately NOT proxy cannon fodder

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is already losing and unless something crazy happens they will lose.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's why Congress doesn't want to send more aid.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Can't wait until this shit is over so that all the shit-for-brains boomers finally take down all their stupid flags.

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