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Automattic purchases Beeper in $125 million deal; CEO to join

https://blog.beeper.com/2024/04/09/beeper-is-joining-automattic/

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 7 months ago

This is a pretty stupid purchase. Beeper was based upon exploiting holes in the iMessage protocol. It was never going last. Why someone would pay for it after they closed the service is a mystery. I'm also not able to see the article due to paywall, so maybe there's some great justification of which I'm unaware.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 38 points 7 months ago

That is/was only one of the services they offered, they have an all-in-one messaging app that lets you use a variety of other protocols (though I only discovered this about half an hour ago!)

[-] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

It’s a matrix clone with built in bridging so you’re only using the matrix protocol technically.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

it's not a "clone", it's literally using Matrix protocol with their own servers.

[-] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Forks maybe a better word.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

not really, it's the same Matrix protocol as other Matrix instances use. the only difference is that they set up bridges and manage them on behalf of the users (something that's possible when hosting your own Matrix instance, too).

[-] scops@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I just set it up because I don't want Meta's shit on my phone and my friend group insists on using WhatsApp. I still had to install the native WhatsApp client but I was able to remove it as soon as I had confirmed the account creation. It also means I can stop giving out my cell number when I want to meet someone from Facebook Marketplace to buy something.

They advise against removing the apps on your phone, but at the least, you can turn off notifications for everything other than Beeper and use it as a single interface. On the desktop app, it makes a bit more sense. I've stopped running the Telegram, Signal, and Google Chat apps. I just wish Google Voice played nice with integrations and could be added to the platform.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

FYI, e2ee messages like Signal's and Whatsapp's are decrypted on Beeper's server before they get reencrypted and forwarded to the recipient.

also, Whatsapp and Signal might log you out if you don't use their client for certain time.

[-] starman@programming.dev 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There is on-device Signal bridge option in the settings

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

yes, it's been added in a version that has only come out of beta today, if I'm reading their blog post correctly.

[-] macgyver@federation.red 2 points 7 months ago

Blue bubbles is what you use now with or without beeper.

[-] 0xCAFE@feddit.de 11 points 7 months ago

Well that's some news. If they're good news we will see. I'm a Beeper user but never heard of Texts (stupid name) before, which seem to share the same misson as Beeper. Texts was purchased by Automattic last year (according to the Beeper blog).

What does that mean? Automattic punches with some weight in the chat space now. In general I don't like it if big companies buy small products. However Automattic still seems to bet on the Fediverse, so maybe if the teams from Beeper and Texts can work together on a Matrix-based, open source chat application, we could get something really good.

I've mixed feelings about this whole thing, some shy optimizm, some less shy pessimism.

Well, time will tell.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

given that they struck a deal with OpenAI and Midjourney to train them on Tumblr data, I'd be wary of using their stuff.

[-] 0xCAFE@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago

I know what you mean, but I think private chat and public posting are quite distinct. They'd destroy a lot more trust if they sell private messages compared to what they did with Tumblr. Especially if they continue to push local bridges, where they won't be able to read any message (you still have to trust them obviously).

[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

If they push local OpenSource bridges, or if you're willing to self-host your own, then I'd consider using them.

Otherwise, any private "E2E" encrypted messages, will get decrypted on their bridges, and we'll have to play ToS whack-a-mole to find out whether they're fair game to train LLMs or not.

[-] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

You can just set up a synapse server and bridge all your chats manually btw

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Looks like we figured out Migicovsky's plan was always the same as it was with Pebble: wreck what was promising and then sell it off to the highest bidder.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

I don't think that's a fair assessment, and I'm someone who's pretty invested in both projects (I've been using Beeper for almost a year and I'm still wearing a Pebble).

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 7 months ago

Paywall ʕ ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°ʔ

[-] 0xCAFE@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago

Adding these rules to uBlock Origin allowed me to read the article:

www.bloomberg.com * 3p-frame block
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www.bloomberg.com gatehouse.cm.bloomberg.com * block
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www.bloomberg.com personalization.bloomberg.com * block
www.bloomberg.com sourcepointcmp.bloomberg.com * block
www.bloomberg.com doubleclick.net * block
www.bloomberg.com google.com * block
www.bloomberg.com googlesyndication.com * block
www.bloomberg.com googletagmanager.com * block
www.bloomberg.com ml314.com * block
www.bloomberg.com moatads.com * block
www.bloomberg.com newrelic.com * block
[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 months ago

I like Bypass Paywalls Clean for Firefox.

https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean

[-] remington@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

Yup. Been using it for years.

[-] zout@fedia.io 1 points 7 months ago

Will look into that, thanks.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

it opened for me, I wouldn't have posted it otherwise. perhaps it's a regional thing.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 7 months ago

That's not OP's problem.

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 7 months ago

Did I say it was? I didn't downvote, I'm just whining

[-] infinitevalence@discuss.online 3 points 7 months ago

Bring back the Pebble watch, its been dead for years and is still the best "smart watch"!

[-] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 7 months ago

I'm not really familiar with Automattic or any of their acquisitions (I know Tumblr and Pocket Casts, but I'm not a regular user of either). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automattic#Products

What's their track record here? Should we expect anything they acquire to be gutted and squeezed like they're Broadcom, or do they actually develop the things they acquire in a way that serves their users?

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago

they've automatically opted Tumblr accounts into training LLMs, so... not great

[-] Melody@lemmy.one 2 points 7 months ago

Mandatory https://archive.is/Dt8FX link

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