I was just trying to refute your assertion that, "Trade ins and selling old phones doesn’t really reduce e-waste." Obviously some used phones are going to be bought by people who need a replacement, and if a used phone wasn't an option, they'd buy new.

I don't know why you are soo hostile. Are you okay?

Your new scenario is still supply constrained. No one gets a new phone for 2 out of 3 years.

Those aren't unpurchased new phones though. As you point out, they're discontinued, discounted and sold.

I was only trying to refute that, "Trade ins and selling old phones doesn’t really reduce e-waste." I'm the same as you, buying used phones, and if I didn't have that option I would be buying new phones instead.

I completely agree with your comment. I was only responding to the claim, "Trade ins and selling old phones doesn’t really reduce e-waste."

I too wish the developer would respond, but I don't think this is the catastrophe people are making it out to be. One comment seems to explain why these binaries are included:

Because ventoy supports shim, and by extension secure boot, these files needs to come from a signed Linux distro. In this case they are taken from Fedora releases, and OpenSUSE apparently, as they publish shim binaries and grub binaries signed by their certificate.

Why would you make your scenario supply constrained? Your argument is simply if we sold less phones, less would go to e-waste, and duh. That wasn't debate, it was whether releasing new phones every year was wasteful vs new phones being released every 2-3 years.

Your scenario also assuming people buy used or they just don't have a phone. People who buy a used phone generally do so instead of buying a new phone.

That's empirically untrue. If people are selling their used phones and not keeping more than one phone (which definitely happens, but is unrelated to this point), then the exact same number of phones would be produced as if everyone bought new and only put them in e-waste when they were broken/obsolete.

If you're upgrading your phone every year, that is a personal choice. Plus, most people who do that trade-in/sell their old phone which gets used by someone else.

I completely agree with what you said. It's been years since I bought any games and yet my experience just gets better and better on Steam, especially as a Linux user.

I don't really see any downsides to annual phone releases. For those people who want to upgrade every year, they can, for everyone else, you upgrade when you want to and you get a pretty new phone. I definitely agree the improvements for slab phones has slowed down a bunch, but there are still pretty big leaps in foldables, etc.

iPhone SE doesn't come out every year, and Apple doesn't have a foldable.

One thing the article doesn't mention, is Caitlin Clark's place as a white woman in a sport dominated by black athletes, and the segment of her fans that she might eventually have to disown. For example, there's an under-current of racism in the drama between her and Angel Reese.

Sue Bird had similar experiences but a generation or so earlier. Of course, there was less social media when she was a young player, and a lot less focus of women's basketball. Even still, there was a lot of dog-whistle language about how, "she played the game the right way," or how, "she's an upstanding citizen." Of course, Bird eventually came out which made some of those fans leave on their own.