Replying directly with my above edit

Edit: I just wanna say I was drawn into a conversation with a crazy person. It's telling that that situation (me being threatened with gun violence) doesn't seem to stretch anyone's imagination.

What I really wanna say is I've spent a lot of time in trump country, and his supporters can be some of the kindest, and in their own way thoughtful people. The kindness and hospitality I've been shown in some of these places has been truly awesome. The tragedy here is they've had their minds poisoned with propaganda that serves to distract from any other problems that may be annoying.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking these are all horrible stupid people. It would only be a disservice both them and yourself.

Replying directly with my above edit

Edit: I just wanna say I was drawn into a conversation with a crazy person. It's telling that that situation (me being threatened with gun violence) doesn't seem to stretch anyone's imagination.

What I really wanna say is I've spent a lot of time in trump country, and his supporters can be some of the kindest, and in their own way thoughtful people. The kindness and hospitality I've been shown in some of these places has been truly awesome. The tragedy here is they've had their minds poisoned with propaganda that serves to distract from any other problems that may be annoying.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking these are all horrible stupid people. It would only be a disservice both them and yourself.

Replying directly with my above edit

Edit: I just wanna say I was drawn into a conversation with a crazy person. It's telling that that situation (me being threatened with gun violence) doesn't seem to stretch anyone's imagination.

What I really wanna say is I've spent a lot of time in trump country, and his supporters can be some of the kindest, and in their own way thoughtful people. The kindness and hospitality I've been shown in some of these places has been truly awesome. The tragedy here is they've had their minds poisoned with propaganda that serves to distract from any other problems that may be annoying.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking these are all horrible stupid people. It would only be a disservice both them and yourself.

Replying directly with my above edit

Edit: I just wanna say I was drawn into a conversation with a crazy person. It's telling that that situation (me being threatened with gun violence) doesn't seem to stretch anyone's imagination.

What I really wanna say is I've spent a lot of time in trump country, and his supporters can be some of the kindest, and in their own way thoughtful people. The kindness and hospitality I've been shown in some of these places has been truly awesome. The tragedy here is they've had their minds poisoned with propaganda that serves to distract from any other problems that may be annoying.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking these are all horrible stupid people. It would only be a disservice both them and yourself.

It's a matter of scale. For co-op where we are, you can get "investor loans" but they tend to have a fixed return. Capital wants to gamble more than they want a 5% APR for 10 years.

What we're currently exploring is an angel loan from someone sympathetic that has historically lived higher up the corporate ladder and we're applying for some government grants, but Credit Union may be a good idea!

That's nice and all, but only works for people that already have money. Food isn't free. Housing isn't free. Heck, water isn't free

EDIT: want to go through the maths to extrapolate this privilege.

Let's say you need one small team to deliver a novel product, say 5 people. Let's assume they all live in Europe and just need enough to survive - say, 20,000 euros a year. A lot of ground work has been done, so it'll only take two years to go from concept to R&D to something to show a potential buyer.

So you have about 100,000 euro per year cost to just keep everyone fed, housed, and clothed not including any equipment, software, licensing etc costs. Assuming there are no costs but just keeping everyone fed and alive the co-op needs 200,000 euros in the bank or alternative funding to get the product in a sellable (note: not finished) state.

In project management in tech (my background) a good rule of thumb is staff cost = 1/3 of costs. However, let's say we're being super lean and can self-source the more expensive equipment and just have to think about licenses for core software so let's make that number 1/2 of cost.

So for the two years of operation to get the product into a position where it can be taken to potential customers, the business would need approx 400,000 euros before a product hits a shelf.

And that's why funding is a problem.

I think this is a common misconception based on survivorship bias and the high cost to entry. Taking your hypothesis as true: you have to have a product that can be sold to ten users as easily as 1000 users (this in and of itself is not a given). That's where the cost is: the starting up of the business where you have no customers and won't have any for several years.