I have no idea how they feel like they can back up like half of these claims. Not that it matters, if something leaks they'll just say "oops, nobody could have seen this coming" and then move on.

• ‘at rest’ → we're using filesystem encryption
• ‘in transit’ → we're using TLS

neither is end-to-end encryption, the data is not private to the service provider.

That's just a fancy way of saying they use tls, like the rest of the world.

They decrypt it once it hits their servers and do whatever they want with it.

(tried it some many years ago, probably long enough that lots of the following is entirely outdated)

then: install was relatively clean, UI shit still had a lot of work required (not showstoppers, just lots of not-quite-good things as often found in oss stuff), wasn't great to monitor/profile, client options were narrow, and lastly the standard problem of being non-goldenpath-choice meant you had to do a lot of things yourself

@dgerard @rinze We have self hosted it for a few years. Small scale, but we did move a couple of GB of data archived from slack into it. I've found it pretty solid and like having focalboard built in.

Real deletes are an enterprise feature, but I have a nasty little script to remove "deleted" attached files.

My chair at TUM uses Mattermost for most internal communication. I'm aware of a couple different academic institutions that do that.

EDIT: Perhaps of important note, we're talking Computer Science systems people. Like, kind of an environment where you're professionally obligated to have strong opinions about Linux distributions.

In all cases it's self-hosted. I don't know anyone who bough hosting. If I get my hands on our sysadmin I could share more.

As for "switched" - I was at one company only that had an official/unofficial Slack and we were given stern talkings to about never ever sharing any company information through it. It was specifically for watercooler banter. Basically "treat it as a personal non-work environment". Specifically because our security officer was aware that Slack is not end-to-end encrypted and that's just an immediate dealbreaker in any sane company that handles sensitive data. God I miss that CSO, I didn't know how good I had it.

Microsoft has Yammer because they always need to choose the worst possible tool in existence.

The company I work at uses selfhosted Mattermost. Granted, we're <50 Employees, so I don't know how well it scales for larger companies.