@jpaskaruk @poloniousmonk @politics That depends, I guess. From my understanding, though other Straussians would disagree, the city appears essential for Plato's desire to perfect the soul, which he further elucidates in the Laws. Some Straussians assume that the "city in speech" is impossible and can never come to fruition. I think Plato's Laws is a rebuttal to this notion.

@jpaskaruk @poloniousmonk @politics Unfortunately, I don't think many readers have much patience for subtitles through which the philosophers engage the careful reader.

@jpaskaruk @poloniousmonk @politics Perhaps, or the reader can just follow Plato's cues dropped within the text concerning his ultimate aim for his perceived city-state.

@poloniousmonk @politics People often mock what they don't understand, or, in other words, refuse to read. Plato's notions about controlling music have a salutary objective, both in his Republic and Laws.