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Most people that are in this situation, I think, are boiling their water on stovetop in pots.

Did you read enough to know that she was participating in a group organized "hunger strike" (whatever you want to call it, idrc) and that she was arrested for her protesting? Lmfao if you're just gonna sit around and do nothing about it, then at least keep your mouth shut, too.

HOLY FUCK ARE YOU SERIOUS? IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE MY SECOND COMMENT (REALLY MY FIRST COMMENT IF YOU WEREN'T BEING BONEHEADED) THAT MY POSITION IS NOT THE SAME AS THE POSITION IN THE MEME.

🙄 oh okay so we are just lying now okay. Right, I NEVER walked back my sweeping generalization and I NEVER specified further. For sure!

Right, it doesn't take the power of foresight to recognize that someone saying "idk", followed by a statement of position followed by a ", no?" is clearly a person asking for someone to explain what is wrong with their position. It ALSO doesn't take the power of foresight to recognize that in my next comment, my argument was updated, and that I was clearly open to new information as it was presented. Maybe you should get a grip on your ability to perceive things that are plainly in front of you.

But I've also been quite transparent about my ignorance and you've just been treating me as a racist instead of recognizing how reasonable I was being when presented with information and my willingness to update my position? Like you're just arguing in bad faith under the assumption I am arguing in bad faith even though it's pretty obvious I'm not.

But it's not based on ethnicity, is it? It's based on their status as a colonizer.

You're right, I did make that sweeping generalization. Good thing I walked it back when presented with evidence and clarified a more specific position. Almost like I'm open to learning when I'm not being condescended to by some keyboard warrior.

Okay, so based on what you're telling me now, I'll update my opinion again. Wow, I wish you could have presented this information from the beginning instead of being a jerk that nitpicked points to argue with (and did a poor job of it btw).

So is it fair, then, to call for the relocation of Israeli colonizers living in Palestine to return to Israel? I think maybe we're finally getting to somewhere where we can agree 😎

What's the point of that quote? Is it because I reference birthright and therefore the people I'm referring to are ethnically Jewish? And therefore I am calling for the relocation of people based on their ethnicity? Or am I clearly calling for the relocation of colonizers, of which I had misunderstandings of where those colonizers are coming from? Hm 🤔

You literally have been doing that lmfao

Also you're a racist for constantly conflating "Israeli" and "Jewish person" throughout this conversation and attempting to project that conflation on me. Thanks.

Okay, so regarding your first point, I still don't understand why you would think I would be against relocating those Russian residents? I'm not a tankie lol

I'm in favor of deporting people that are displacing other people from their homes. Do you really want to try and make the sweeping generalization that all modern immigrants in America are displacing people from their homes? Lmfao.

How many times do I need to repeat myself that I am referring to a specific subgroup that is displacing people from their homes? The ONLY reason ethnicity comes into it (for the sake of my argument anyway, I understand there are nazis out there that are using this to dogwhistle) is because the state is basing it on ethnicity. If they were actively bringing in Palestinians to displace Palestinians, then yes, we would be relocating those immigrants as well. Of course, that's not happening, and it makes no sense to even say it.

My understanding is that the Israeli government is, or was, actively colonizing parts of Palestine. Are you saying that isn't true? Or are you continuing to DEFEND A GROUP OF PEOPLE I'M NOT REFERRING TO?

Yeah, man, that would be ethnic cleansing. Good thing I said there is a subgroup of people!

Oh... you're taking problem with that. Because it's ethnic cleansing to relocate a subgroup of people, that might happen to be of the same ethnicity, based on their specific actions. For sure, man.

To compare the relocation of colonizers to the active, systemic displacement, removal, and eradication of a group of people based on their ethnicity?

You are a bad joke.

Okay, that's great, I already clarified my position beyond that, so I will repeat that in this conversation it is irrelevant! We can keep talking in circles about its relevance to the conversation if you like, but it seems pointless, since again, it is irrelevant to the conversation (beyond you making a point to observers I guess!)

Sorry, I am fairly ignorant to geopolitics, so can you clarify? It sounds like you are almost definitely asking me some sort of gotcha question when the answer is really clear. So are Crimea and the Donbass currently apartheid states that are intentionally bringing in immigrants of a particular race? Because if so... then yes? Like are there native citizens being displaced by the government because people of a specific ethnicity want to move there? Educate me pls

Yeah, people that are actively colonizing in America should be held under the same scrutiny lmao. You're not going to find me to be a hypocrite. Natives that are actively being displaced by immigrants should have their land returned to them.

Based on ethnic origin? Are you really still putting words in my mouth? Are you really that incapable of honest discussion?

The crime isn't existing, it's actively moving to and displacing a native population by unhousing them? It's also NOT ethnic cleansing. The rhetoric you're using to accuse me of being pro-"ethnic cleansing" is as bad as the rhetoric used to accuse anyone calling out genocide as being anti-semitic. I'm not saying we should remove all the Jewish people from Israel. The INSTANT that I specified a subgroup with nuanced reasoning, "ethnic cleansing" stopped being a viable thing for you to argue against me with. Sorry.

Is the government actively colonizing? There's your answer.

1. Ok, irrelevent, I already specified non-native citizens. Don't bring it up again if you're interested in intellectually honest conversation.
2. Okay.
3. Okay.
4. Okay.
5. Yes, for any country that is actively apartheid and actively trying to further solidify that apartheid by shipping in immigrants based on ethnicity.

Reminder that I asked a question to clarify whether or not my position, which is not the same as the position your meme is criticizing. So I don't really see why you think it's necessary to attribute that position to me.

I'll repeat what I said specifically so you can clarify whether or not MY specific, NUANCED position is also problematic.

So, based on the new evidence, I'll even adjust what I'm saying. Is it fair, then, to call for the relocation of dual citizens, that come from countries like the US or UK, who moved into the country as an adult after visiting Israel on their birthright trip? People who I would consider to be first generation colonizers? Forget those other people. I am not a bad faith nazi trying to get you to conflate the two groups and walk into some gotcha question. Just answer the actual question that I am posing.

Seems like your reading comprehension is lacking, so I'm going to encourage you to reread the entire exchange up to this point. If you can't figure it out, you're not someone worth discussing with.