(SergVidocq) (2025)
Image description: A close-up, of the cracked, dark, rocky humanoid head with intense, glowing orange and a fiery orange ring of light with smudged writing. The background is blurred with soft, diffuse gray and orange lights, enhancing the focus on the head.
(Dark_Schneider) (2025)
Image description: A young woman with dark eyes, brown hair with a braid and drill side ponytail, brown horse ears, a brown horse tail, and a red bow, blushing with an open mouth and an angry expression. She is wearing a dark blue one-piece swimsuit with white trim, and she is leaning forward, resting her hands on her thighs.
Full Generation Parameters:
norn ace \(umamusume\), 1girl, animal ears, black eyes, blue one-piece swimsuit, blush, bow, breasts, brown hair, cowboy shot, drill hair, drill sidelocks, ear bow, hands on own thighs, horse ears, horse girl, horse tail, large breasts, leaning forward, looking at viewer, medium hair, one-piece swimsuit, open mouth, side drill, sidelocks, solo, standing, swimsuit, tail, masterpiece, best quality, absurdres, amazing quality
Negative prompt: worst quality, low quality, lowres, bad quality
Steps: 30, CFG scale: 6, Sampler: Euler a, Seed: 1327968881, Size: 512x768, Model: raehoshiIllustXL_v51, Version: v1.10.1-89-g2174ce5a, Model hash: b1f0eb5a18, Hires steps: 15, Hires upscale: 2, Schedule type: Automatic, Hires upscaler: R-ESRGAN 4x+ Anime6B, Denoising strength: 0.7
Tagging and filtering works for communities that need it. Those that have NSFW content enforce rules that allow users to customize their feeds, just like is done here with the [AI] tag.
Please explain how honoring artist’s will can make the situation 10x worse?
That's what I was talking about when I said:
Using things “without permission” forms the bedrock on which artistic expression and free speech are built upon. They want you to believe that analyzing things without permission somehow goes against copyright, when in reality, fair use is a part of copyright law, and the reason our discourse isn’t wholly controlled by mega-corporations and the rich.
And when I said:
The people who train these systems still have rights like you and I, and the public interest transcends individual consent. Rights holders, even when they are living, breathing individuals, would always prefer to restrict our access to materials, but from an ethical standpoint, the benefits we see from of fair use and library lending, outweigh author permissions. We need to uphold a higher ethical standard here for the benefit of society so that we don’t end up building a utopia for corporations, bullies, and every wannabe autocrat, destroying open dialogue in the process.
What do you think someone who thinks you’re going to write an unfavorable review would say when you ask them permission to analyze their work? They’ll say no. One point for the scammers. When you ask someone to scrutinize their interactions online, what will they say? They’ll say no, one point for the misinformation spreaders. When you ask someone to analyze their thing for reverse engineering, what will they say? They’ll say no, one point for the monopolists. When you ask someone to analyze their data for indexing, what will they say? They’ll say no, one point for the obstructors.
And when I said:
...If we allow that type of overreach, we would be giving anyone a blank check to threaten the general populace with legal trouble off of just from the way you draw the eyes on a character. This is bad, and I shouldn’t have to explain or spell it out to you.
What these people want unfairly restricts self-expression and speech. Art isn’t a product, it is speech, and people are allowed to participate in conversations even when there are parties that rather they didn’t. Wanting to bar others from iterating on your ideas or expressing the same ideas differently is both is selfish and harmful. That’s why the restrictions on art are so flexible and allow for so much to pulled from to make art.
You have spent so many hours dishonestly dodging the actual points I've made, it's not surprising you're lost this far in.
And we're discussing your assertion that AI art is unethical because of how it's trained. I've given examples and explanations on how your views on honoring artists' wills are not only unfair, but shortsighted, and harmful to all of us too. I do this not only in hopes of changing your mind, but also the minds of anyone who might be reading this thread.
Your actions don't match your words friend. It seems to me that if you were here doing as you say, there wouldn't be any doubt that tags are the best solution in this situation. People that want to can view the content, and those that don't can avoid it, as has always been done.
Loot at it this way. You want to bar me from posting this stuff here, even though you aren't bereft of other communities that function the way you want. I push back against it because you have the option to customize your feed and countless other communities to choose from. Why are you trying to take away my few choices?
I asked you to think about what copy write protects. It gives artists protection over specific expressions, not broad concepts like styles, and this fosters ethical self-expression and discourse. If we allow that type of overreach, we would be giving anyone a blank check to threaten the general populace with legal trouble off of just from the way you draw the eyes on a character. This is bad, and I shouldn't have to explain or spell it out to you.
What these people want unfairly restricts self-expression and speech. Art isn't a product, it is speech, and people are allowed to participate in conversations even when there are parties that rather they didn't. Wanting to bar others from iterating on your ideas or expressing the same ideas differently is both is selfish and harmful. That's why the restrictions on art are so flexible and allow for so much to pulled from to make art.
It is spelled out in the links I've replied with how these short sided power grabs will consolidate power at the top and damage life for us all. While Cory Doctorow doesn't endorse AI art, he agrees that it should exist. He goes on to say that you can't fix a labor problem with copyright, the way some artists are trying to do. That just changes how and how much you end up paying the people at the top.
And I want to reiterate, I'm not talking about the law here, I'm talking about the effects the laws have. I feel for the artists here, but honoring a special monopoly on abstract ideas and general forms of expression is a recipe for disaster that will only make our situation ×10 worse.
Maybe it's because the source was a CGI show? A 3D art style LoRA over anime models always yields a soft blend of the two sales. To me It looks like what the CGI could look like with infinite money.
(Unsherlock) (2025)
Image description: A wide shot of a narrow rocky gorge that leads to a pool with towering dark stone cliffs rising on both sides creating a dramatic natural corridor. A solitary human figure stands silhouetted against the bright opening where the canyon meets the sun, appearing small in scale against the massive rock formations. Rushing water surges through the canyon opening, creating white foam and spray as they crash against the rocky surfaces and scattered boulders throughout the pool, spilling over a cliff in the foreground. Dense green vegetation clings to the upper portions of the cliff faces, while the lower areas remain bare rock.
(SoutSa) (2025)
Image description: A young woman with pink eyes, long pink hair, and a strained expression standing on her toes and leaning back in a full-body stretch, with both arms raised above and behind her head. She is wearing a loose-fitting, long-sleeved purple shirt and white crew-length socks.
Full Generation Parameters:
Smooth_Quality <lora:Milo:1> rmilo, 3d, long hair, pink hair, pink eyes, swept bangs, asymmetrical bangs, hair behind ear, medium breasts, white socks, no shoes, simple background, white background, from below, stretching, arms up, tiptoe, arched back, <lora:over size shirt_illustrious_V1.0:0.8> oversized shirt, purple shirt,
Negative prompt: Smooth Negative-neg,lowres, worst quality, low quality, bad anatomy, signature, watermark,
Steps: 25, CFG scale: 5, Sampler: DPM++ 2M, Seed: 370834814, RNG: NV, Size: 832x1216, Model: waiNSFWIllustrious_v140, Version: f1.7.0-v1.10.1RC-latest-2190-g8731f1e9, TI hashes: [object Object], Model hash: bdb59bac77, Hires steps: 15, Hires upscale: 1.5, Schedule type: Karras, Hires upscaler: 4x_foolhardy_Remacri,
ADetailer model: face_yolov8n.pt, Hires CFG Scale: 4, ADetailer version: 25.3.0, ADetailer x offset: 24, ADetailer y offset: 24, Denoising strength: 0.2, ADetailer mask blur: 4, ADetailer model 2nd: Eyes.pt, ADetailer confidence: 0.3, ADetailer dilate erode: 4, ADetailer mask blur 2nd: 4, ADetailer model classes: [object Object], ADetailer confidence 2nd: 0.3, ADetailer inpaint padding: 32, Discard penultimate sigma: True, ADetailer dilate erode 2nd: 4, ADetailer denoising strength: 0.4, ADetailer inpaint only masked: True, ADetailer inpaint padding 2nd: 32, ADetailer denoising strength 2nd: 0.2, ADetailer inpaint only masked 2nd: True, Clip skip: 2
The content is allowed here, you're the one saying it shouldn't be, when there are other communities like you describe. You're not pushing back, you're pushing into an already established community rather than curating your own feed.
We can continue this conversation if you're willing to proceed in good faith, but putting words in my mouth and trying to misrepresent the situation isn't cool. If you can't own up to your side of the argument and have to try to turn it on me, you've already lost the plot. This kind of manipulation leads to miscommunication, kills the actual dialogue, and makes you look even weaker than your argument.
I'm not telling you to ponder this from a legal perspective, look at it what those laws protect from an ethical perspective. And I urge you again to actually read the material. It goes in depth and explains how all this works and the ways in it's all related. A quick excerpt:
Break down the steps of training a model and it quickly becomes apparent why it's technically wrong to call this a copyright infringement. First, the act of making transient copies of works – even billions of works – is unequivocally fair use. Unless you think search engines and the Internet Archive shouldn't exist, then you should support scraping at scale:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/17/how-to-think-about-scraping/
And unless you think that Facebook should be allowed to use the law to block projects like Ad Observer, which gathers samples of paid political disinformation, then you should support scraping at scale, even when the site being scraped objects (at least sometimes):
https://pluralistic.net/2021/08/06/get-you-coming-and-going/#potemkin-research-program
After making transient copies of lots of works, the next step in AI training is to subject them to mathematical analysis. Again, this isn't a copyright violation.
Making quantitative observations about works is a longstanding, respected and important tool for criticism, analysis, archiving and new acts of creation. Measuring the steady contraction of the vocabulary in successive Agatha Christie novels turns out to offer a fascinating window into her dementia:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/apr/03/agatha-christie-alzheimers-research
Programmatic analysis of scraped online speech is also critical to the burgeoning formal analyses of the language spoken by minorities, producing a vibrant account of the rigorous grammar of dialects that have long been dismissed as "slang":
Since 1988, UCL Survey of English Language has maintained its "International Corpus of English," and scholars have plumbed its depth to draw important conclusions about the wide variety of Englishes spoken around the world, especially in postcolonial English-speaking countries:
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/english-usage/projects/ice.htm
The final step in training a model is publishing the conclusions of the quantitative analysis of the temporarily copied documents as software code. Code itself is a form of expressive speech – and that expressivity is key to the fight for privacy, because the fact that code is speech limits how governments can censor software:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/04/remembering-case-established-code-speech/
If you're not willing to do that, there isn't much I can do, since all of your questions are answered there.
I'm not telling anyone they are wrong because stuff they don't want to see, I only want them to use the tools available to them before making knee-jerk decisions that can have adverse effects on the community. As easy as it is to create communities, it's even easier to use the blocking tools for yourself. This conversation has taken hundreds of times longer than it would have for someone to block and move on.
Just because the majority thinks one way doesn't mean they aren't wrong or ignorant. History is full of examples where the crowd went the wrong way on issues. Hell, you don't even need history, just look at the US today. A community without dissent is dooming itself to ignorance and leaving itself vulnerable to the machinations of bad actors. The reality is that justice and truth aren't the same as popularity, and we have to push against the crowd sometimes to get to it. Lemmy arms us with the tools to do just that, and it's up to us to use them whenever possible.
(Jogging) (2025)
Image description: A large circular window on a stark white wall that reveals a countryside scene beyond. The circular frame itself is divided into colored segments around its perimeter, while the center opens to show green fields stretching toward the horizon under a blue sky dotted with white clouds.
(randomizer89) (2025)
Image description: A girl with brown eyes, dark brown hair styled in pigtails with green ribbons sticking out from the bands, and a slight smile leaning forward with her hands resting on her knees. She is carrying a large pink backpack with a large orange paw sticking out, standing on a paved, tiled sidewalk. She is dressed in a school uniform composed of a white, short-sleeved blouse with a pink ribbon at the collar, a dark blue jumper dress, and a yellow star pin on her chest. She wears a thick green bangle on her right wrist and has a bandage on her left knee.
Full Generation Parameters:
anime coloring, dynamic pose, outdoors, cinematic quality, amazing background, hachikuji mayoi, Hachikuji's backpack, solo, looking at viewer, smile, shirt, skirt, ribbon, jewelry, school uniform, bag, bracelet, leaning forward, :3, suspenders, bandaid, instrument, suspender skirt, bandaid on leg, bandaid on knee <lora:COMMISSION_Monogatari_Series_-_Hachikuji_Mayoi_-_illustrious-v2:0.8>
Negative prompt: door, censored, worst quality, manga, sketch, monochrome, noisy, cropped, siblings, bad hands, text, text bobble, haze, murkily, blurry background, clones,logo, artist signature, jpeg artifacts
Steps: 27, CFG scale: 5, Sampler: Euler a, Seed: 1117451487902011, Size: 512x768, Model: waiNSFWIllustrious_v140, Version: ComfyUI, Model hash: bdb59bac77, Clip skip: 2
The tags exist here because we already agreed that was the way we were handling content. In the meantime, you can just block me until tags arrive. That would be the simplest way to filter this content from your view.
(gonzalu) (2025)
Image description: Two massive ice formations, standing upright, split down the middle to create a dramatic formation in an Arctic landscape. The left formation contains a bright blue starburst pattern with radiating light beams emanating from its center, while both structures are illuminated in blue and purple tones against the twilight sky. A brilliant magenta laser beam shoots vertically upward through the sky in the gap between the two ice pillars, extending beyond the frame as the sky transitions from deep blue at the top to soft pink near the horizon. Scattered ice chunks and fragments surround the base of the formations, with their surfaces reflecting the purple and blue light. A bright streak appears in the upper right sky, resembling a meteor, while distant mountains form a backdrop along the horizon line.
Full Generation Parameters:
Ultra high-definition digital rendering of a colossal, jagged ice sculpture with a vivid blue and purple hue, breaking apart in a serene, reflective icy landscape, under a twilight sky with a distant, glowing meteor streaking across the horizon.
Steps: 20, Sampler: deis_beta, Seed: 719417147690437, VAE: Flux\ae.safetensors, Model: Flux\flux1-dev.safetensors, Model hash: 4610115bb0, Prompt Index: 3174, Lora_0 Model hash: dda7c1b53d, Lora_0 Model name: YFG-Rigs-v1e10.safetensors, Lora_1 Model hash: a80407d6b9, Lora_1 Model name: YFG-Beyond-Glitch-v1e16.safetensors, Lora_0 Strength clip: 0.55, Lora_1 Strength clip: 0.65, Lora_0 Strength model: 0.55, Lora_1 Strength model: 0.65
(Cinabrio) (2025)
Image description: A woman with purple eyes, long pink hair, and a closed-mouth smile looking to her left, with her right hand resting on her chin. She is wearing a white and blue long-sleeved athletic zip-up top that exposes her midriff, matching blue bottoms, a black jacket worn off one shoulders, and sheer dark purple thigh-high stockings.
Full Generation Parameters:
Smooth Quality,masterpiece,very intricate, high quality details, ultra realistic, high detailed skin,detailed enviorement,absurdres, <lora:Carol_Caroline_CNR:0.8> carol_cnr, pink hair,very long hair, drill hair, braid, purple eyes, blue eyes, symbol-shaped pupils, large breasts, mole under eye, earrings,midriff,rash guard, ,duffle coat, ,asymmetrical stockings, ,, simple background, white background, dynamic angle, sitting, legs crossed, hand on chin, smiling, relaxed, ,, :>=,
Negative prompt: Smooth Negative-neg,lowres, worst quality, low quality, bad anatomy, signature, watermark,
Steps: 25, CFG scale: 5, Sampler: DPM++ 2M, Seed: 3838377404, Size: 832x1216, Model: waiNSFWIllustrious_v120, Version: v1.10.1, TI hashes: [object Object], Model hash: 89cb4ec0a9, Schedule type: Karras,
ADetailer model: face_yolov8n.pt, Wildcard prompt: [object Object], ADetailer version: 24.9.0, ADetailer mask blur: 4, ADetailer confidence: 0.3, ADetailer dilate erode: 4, ADetailer inpaint padding: 32, ADetailer denoising strength: 0.4, ADetailer inpaint only masked: True, Clip skip: 2
(Skormino) (2025)
Image description: A pixelated composition featuring a vibrant, pink flower in the foreground, standing tall with a green stem and leaves. The flower is surrounded by a field of pink flowers that stretches to a curved horizon at the bottom half of the image. In the background and to the right, a bright blue and green planet is partially visible, with a larger dark planet looming behind it. A bright star peeks out from behind the larger planet in the top right corner, illuminating the dark planet's atmosphere.
Full Generation Parameters:
masterprice, , dithered background, flower, sky, petals, no_humans, black_background, red_flower, star_\(sky\), scenery, pink_flower, starry_sky, space, field, planet, flower_field, earth_\(planet\), still_life
Negative prompt: (monochrome, sketch:1.2), watermark, muscle, abs, ugly, deformed, noisy, blurry, low contrast, drab, boring,
Steps: 42, CFG scale: 4, Sampler: Euler, Seed: 16425, Size: 1024x1536, Model: noobai\yiffymix_v62Noobxl.ckpt, Batch size: 2, Model hash: 2b347f759a, Batch index: 0, Lora_0 Model hash: 7c9c745b5d, Lora_0 Model name: pixpix_4_r1.safetensors, Lora_0 Strength clip: 1, Lora_0 Strength model: 1, Clip skip: 2
(west7785) (2025)
Image description: A young woman with brown eyes, short black hair, and a neutral expression sitting on a wooden bench with her head tilted to the side while looking up at the viewer. She is wearing a gym uniform consisting of a white short-sleeved t-shirt with maroon trim on the collar and cuffs, paired with matching maroon shorts that have two white vertical stripes on the side. She is in a gymnasium, seated on a polished, slatted wooden bench, with the polished wood floor of the court visible in the background.
Full Generation Parameters:
masterpiece, best quality, amazing quality, absurdres, 1girl, solo, kumeta kouji \(style\), matoiww, brown eyes, black hair, short hair, blunt bangs, gym uniform, buruma, <lora:Tsunetsuki_Matoi_Sayonara_Zetsubou_Sensei_ill:0.9>, sitting, legs together, narrowed eyes, expressionless, looking at viewer, skindentation, detailed clothing folds, depth of field, sharp, high contrast, dynamic light
Negative prompt: bad quality, worst quality, worst detail, monochrome, grayscale, sketch, censor, jpeg artifacts, blurry, censored, mosaic censoring, watermark
Steps: 30, CFG scale: 5, Sampler: Euler a, Seed: 2303006354, Size: 832x1216, Model: waiNSFWIllustrious_v140, Version: f2.0.1v1.10.1-previous-659-gc055f2d4, Module 1: sdxl_vae, Model hash: bdb59bac77, Schedule type: Automatic, Clip skip: 2
Yeah, it only barely resembles the image on the wiki.