Fisherman75

That's the part that keeps getting missed. This all reminds of the yoyoing back and forth about whether coffee is healthy for you or not. Another damned science article on the issue. Great. Just what I needed. But the AMOC situation they always say is contingent upon action or inaction on global warming and what exactly am I supposed to think is happening to the systems? Hmm? Seems like everything is collapsing. So maybe I just might as well be fully prepared for the AMOC to straight up collapse. This groundhog day crap is getting really old. Same reason I always take a tote bag to the grocery store even if it's not always legally required in this county - sometimes they're out of bags, sometimes it's legally required; might as well be equipped with a bag.

That actually kind of makes sense. It just seems like there's a reason we pay for these things.

I live in a sober living apartment building. They sometimes get donation boxes from different places and you can ask the security guard to let you back to where they keep them and pick out whatever you need. I think I influenced them and got them into some good habits with that by bringing back to the wellness center on the bottom floor what I didn't use one month and explaining my reasoning that someone else might need it, because then later they told me to do that when I took a box a different month as if they had come up with the idea. Felt like I made a difference, even though they pretended like it was totally their ingenious social worker idea. Anyway, now it basically constitutes a food pantry anyone here can access with the security guard's permission. They give you resources in the wellness center that point you to local food banks and sometimes offer to drive people there. Others have their own cars and can drive each other.

Wow. Shocker. Capitalism isn't so easily reformable toward sustainability. I don't understand why more democrats, like the ones who have been up until now relying on the sentiment of large financial institutions and corporations to finish the job of addressing climate change, don't get their head in the game and realize how eco-unfriendly so much of capitalism is, and, depending on one's definition of capitalism, how eco-unfriendly all of capitalism may be. I think some of them have developed a greater love for their white picket fence-esque life as marketed to them in real time than for understanding the impact of scientific information about climate change on the life of the planet including their own per an authentic scientific understanding - because the latter starts to look more socialist by almost every definition of socialism.

Oh no, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not arguing against alternative energy. I'm just highlighting some problems with solar tech and alternative energy systems that are relavant to the overall discussion of the very necessary transition away from fossil fuels. That's good for First Solar. I'm not one to leave things to the economy to magically handle. I'm hoping there are people on here with some kind of connection somewhere, directly or indirectly, I can serve as a central repository of information to. I run a small nonprofit think tank focused on solving the polycrisis.

Fundamentally there is only so much oil in the ground. That's all anyone is driving at, and everyone seems to be ignoring that. Plus it's all shale oil now which is much more expensive to extract. The EROEI is going down as a result and all that oil is being wasted on routine economic activity. Other countries, where the rest of the shale oil will be, are getting much stronger and more able to defend themselves. Why is the concern with predictions? The main point is the working implication of introntrovertible material circumstances on the picture of the future. The economy itself must change. Being concerned with precise predictions even ignores the implication of 'the bumpy plateau' which is what I think we're in now, bumpy not because of that one metric of global world oil production, but because of all of the factors that must distort around it in order to produce it and thereby distort and jeapordize the economy.

A fungus infecting the ecosystem and crops in the san joaquin valley that makes people get this fever thing, makes everyone sniffly kind of and some other stuff.

Here it is then : https://slrpnk.net/c/Peak_Oil

Yeah it sure is cheap living in the bread basket of the world, the san joaquin valley. My rent is 334. I even have housing assistance. Ag ag ag is all I hear here, and everyone has no idea how unsustainable industrialized agriculture is. Plus the droughts, the toxicity, the general poverty, and also valley fever.

There's a lot of environmental problems with all that that aren't being solved and at least are worth talking about somewhere like a Peak Oil discussion community. The mining of minerals for solar panels for instance. Or the continuing inability to dispose sustainably of used batteries. And red states aren't really transitioning to alternative energy, and may sour to alternative energy and reverse it. A fascist-dominated republican federal government may sabotage alternative energy in blue states. There's also the wear and tear issue of alternative energy systems - they have to be repaired with components that are themselves manufactured with materials continually mined from the finite supply somewhere in the world which itself causes environmental destruction. And there are many problems with EVs. How weird that none of this is still being discussed in one place on here.

Also, yeah it is complicated. But there is one thing I like to radically simplify it to sometimes that I feel keeps getting lost in the noise : there is only so much oil in the ground, and society does not seem to be properly coping with that reality yet all things considered.

Well I thought I'd consult people first. But yeah this is the bumpy plateau is usually my whole thing and now there is all the drama of oil depletion itself sputtering into view.