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[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Perhaps I explained it poorly. Getting a petition published now would make it visible to the public. It could have become a talking point.

According to the official website, petitions will not survive dissolution and will need to be recreated. Since petitions which make it to the website remain visible to the public, it could have become a historial petition which would have still been visible and searchable.

Dissolution of Parliament and Petitionshttps://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide The dissolution of Parliament (the period between the end of a Parliament and the start of a new Parliament after a general election) terminates the e-petitioning process. The petitions website closes at dissolution and all e-petitions not yet presented to the House are closed, and the obligation for the government to respond to all petitions also lapses. All petitioners will receive an email informing them of the status of their petition. Should a petitioner wish to pursue an issue in the form of an e-petition in the next Parliament, they must start the process anew approximately three weeks after the general election, when the petitions website reopens. Any signatures gathered prior to dissolution may not be reused; signatories who wish to support a similar petition in the new Parliament will have to sign again.

As it stands, we now just have a post on Lemmy which will get buried amongst the other Lemmy posts. But approximately 21 days after Parliament resumes, a petition could get created. And so people who are interested in collaborating on this petition happening at that time or on other possible topics can still get in touch with me at any time.

The bill has already received royal assent and has passed into law, flaws and all. It is still perhaps a lot more reasonable to ask for a bill to be undone than to have people draft another 100 pages of a bill which only undoes some changes.

Why raise the concept now? The primary and only stated reason which I could find for pushing the bill to become law expediently without due consideration and without necessary corrections was to be able to complete the registry and other parts of legislation by June 2025 or perhaps slightly later, ahead of an October 2025 election. This reason will no longer exist. Hence it would seem logical to create a new bill to repeal these changes and then spend the needed time to get the changes right in yet another bill.

As it stands, a lot of people may be going to jail who have nothing to do with foreign interference. As I said, do not threaten anyone, do not intimidate anyone, be very careful not to cause any damage during a protest, do not make use of violence, and a whole host of other things which could be used as justification for putting someone unliked into jail for life. No requirement exists anymore to prove any link to foreign interference and the wording makes it appear that it does not even matter if no such link exists.

If someone invades the country and you use violence, could you end up being placed in jail? Is it ridiculous? You tell me what you think.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Quite the opposite regarding the petition. It is true that there is essentially no chance of any of the outstanding petitions being read. What is important, though, is trying to get this petition going through as soon as we can. A petition which makes it onto the website will remain visible to the Members of Parliament and to Canadians in general, even after dissolution of Parliament, bringing the potential for a much wider audience.

The very fact that petitions are not allowed to include links demonstrates the risk-adverse technological policy applied to Members of Parliament when it comes to links, such as pointing out a thread on Lemmy. But they'll gladly visit a link on one of their own websites if asked to do so.

As for the possible methods for undoing a bill, that's why the wording of the petition asks for multiple possible actions, depending upon the timing.

Edit: Upvoting you for taking the time to raise good points.

 

Since this community is about being constructive, let me start off by saying there is a Canadian bill which passed in June 2024, Bill C-70, which can lead to harsher penalties for environmental activism and protest, including life-in-prison. A thread has been created to ask Lemmy users to coordinate and collaborate on creating a petition asking to undo the effects of that bill.

See https://mander.xyz/post/26781834

Now for quotations which may be the most relevant to this community.

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM_C-70_Brief_CBACJS_e.pdf "I am writing on behalf of the Criminal Justice Section, (CBA Section) to comment on Bill C-70, Countering Foreign Interference Act. The tight deadlines before the Parliamentary Committees have only allowed time for a brief comment on the criminal offences component of the Bill at this time."

"The CBA is a national association of over 40,000 lawyers, law students, notaries and academics, and our mandate includes seeking improvement in the law and the administration of justice. The Criminal Justice Section consists of a balance of Crown and defence counsel from every part of the country. "

"The Canadian Bar Association Section is also concerned about s. 52.1(2)(i) which deals with the sabotage offence. This section vests the executive with the power to prescribe, through regulation, what constitutes "essential infrastructure" for the purposes of the offence. This leaves a key element of the offence to regulation and thus subject to the whims of the government of the day. More particularly, some political parties have been critical of, for example, foreign environmental group involvement in resource development."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf "an environmental protest group which blocks a road to a significant natural resource development may impede access to energy and utilities infrastructure (s. 52.1(2)(d)) and could be accused of seeking to endanger Canada’s security (under proposed s. 52.1(1)(a)). Or, a civil rights group whose protest blocks several major vehicular intersections in a city may impede access to transportation infrastructure (proposed s. 52.1(2)(b)), which, it may be argued, represents a serious risk to public safety (proposed s. 52.1(1)(c)). These are not speculative examples. A broad definition of national safety is contained in other federal legislation. Under s. 3(1) of the Security of Information Act, for example, a “purpose prejudicial to safety...of the State” includes adversely affecting “the stability of the Canadian economy…without reasonable economic or financial justification”."

"It is also important to note the distinction between motive and intent in the criminal law to appreciate the limited scope of the s. 52.1(5) criminal liability exemption. Even if a person acted with the purpose of protesting or advocating on a particular issue, they satisfy the requirement to act with intent if they were certain or substantially certain their act would cause any of the harms enumerated under proposed s. 52.1(1)(a) to (c). In such cases, the sabotage (essential infrastructure) offence would still apply to them."

 

There is a bill which was rushed through in June 2024 known as Bill C-70. https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/C-70 It was reported by Committee that they were not granted sufficient time to work on the bill.

Numerous people have reported a significant number of flaws with the final bill, far more than enough to repeal the effects of the bill and rework it. Note that quotations are intentionally only obtained from websites provided by the Government of Canada.

1. Civil Libertieshttps://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12770642 Honourable Michael Chong (Wellington—Halton Hills, CPC): "The bill would create a new offence of up to life in prison for a person who commits any indictable offence under the Criminal Code or under any other act of Parliament at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with a foreign entity."

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12771238 Mr. René Villemure (Trois-Rivières, BQ): "Bill C-70 will also eliminate the requirement to prove that a criminal act benefited a foreign state or harmed Canada."

"Bill C-70 also provides for consecutive sentences and even life imprisonment for certain offences. I understand the desire to impose harsher sentences, but listen to what the Canadian Civil Liberties Association had to say. It said, and I quote:
The availability of life imprisonment for certain offences introduced under Bill C-70 is disproportionate and excessive. For example, a person convicted of an indictable offence under the Criminal Code, even as minimal as theft under $5,000, could be sentenced to life in prison if they acted for the benefit of a foreign entity."

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Yuen Pau Woo: "I hoped at the time that we could have a grown-up conversation about foreign interference so that we can avoid the excesses that I think we’re beginning to enter into. I failed because today we are in a fevered environment where there is, it would seem, overwhelming support — indeed, unanimous approval — for a bill on countering foreign interference that has manifest flaws in it that have been raised to all of us through a variety of sources in civil society, academia and from ordinary Canadians."

"Let me now get to a number of the flaws that I see in the bill that I hope others will pick up and that we can perhaps put some thought into ameliorating. These are only a few examples."

"The first has to do with the Security of Information Act where there’s a new offence related to political interference. I agree with the need to stop political interference from foreign principals, but there’s a special provision where there is an offence of preparing the act of political interference. It says that this offence is when someone does anything that is directed towards or done in preparation of the commission of the offence, “the offence” being political interference."

"In this provision, we are copying from the Australian example, where they also have a provision against the preparation and planning of an act of foreign interference, and they had their first conviction last year. Let me tell you that story."

"A Vietnamese Australian has been sentenced to two years in jail for the act of preparing or planning an act of foreign interference. What was that act? He organized a fundraiser during COVID, raising money from Vietnamese and Indo-Chinese-Australian communities to buy personal protective equipment and other medical supplies, and he donated that money to a hospital. At the ceremony where the donation was made, he invited a politician — I think he was a sitting minister at the time — to stand with him on the stage holding one of these fake cheques for $25,000 Australian. That was used as evidence that this Vietnamese Australian person was cultivating the minister for a future act of foreign interference."

"Just think about that. The Australian system is the Australian system, and they have the right to conduct themselves in the way that they want to. But are we going down the road where someone who develops a relationship with a politician or a public official who may have the potential to rise up the ladder sometime in the near or distant future, that that act in itself is a crime of planning or preparing an act of foreign interference? It drives shivers down the spine."

"I also like this registry in that it doesn’t use the concept of related entity, which is such a broad and vague term that it can capture just about anyone who is associated with an organization that is in some way connected to a foreign power. Instead, it uses the term “arrangements.” I recommended the idea of using the word “arrangements,” but I would have preferred that it focus on material arrangements because that’s concrete — a contract, a quid pro quo, a trip to Taiwan, for example, to Israel, to China or to Mexico. That’s a material arrangement. Instead, what we have is “. . . arrangements . . .” or “. . . in association with . . .” Here, I have grave concerns. What does “. . . in association with . . .” mean?"

"The best clue is found in the consultation paper that was issued by Public Safety in preparation for this bill, which gave us a case study of what I think they mean. Here is the case study."

"An academic has a meeting with a foreign principal. It could be a diplomat; it is somebody who represents another government. They have a conversation or maybe multiple conversations. Shortly after, the academic writes an op-ed that is in favour of that country’s position on a given issue. Maybe the academic also gives some lectures on campus in favour of or aligned — shall we say — with that government’s position. That example is described in the consultation paper as an act of malign foreign interference, and it is my interpretation that the intent of this bill and the use of the term “. . . in association with . . .” would capture the acts of that academic. But, colleagues, if an academic has a meeting with a foreign official and that academic later expresses a view which is closely aligned with the foreign government..."

"How do we know that the academic did not share the view in the first place?"

"Let me give you an example of why this is so problematic. An issue that will come before us very soon is the question of whether we should impose tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, or EVs. Some of you know that the Americans have imposed a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs. The Europeans have imposed a tariff on them as well, though at a lower level. There is already a debate in this country as to whether we should follow suit. The automotive manufacturers and other lobbying groups are in conversation with American interests, including state interests, to suggest that we should impose a similar tariff for a good reason: to protect our industry."

"At the same time, there are voices in this country saying we should not impose a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs because it is against our interests in the fight against climate change. I won’t get into which side is correct here, but do you think that someone arguing in favour of a 100% tariff under the influence of, say, an American state-linked entity would get the same treatment as someone arguing against a 100% tariff who may have had a connection with a Chinese or Asian entity? I’m suspicious. I don’t know. This is the kind of question we should be asking."

"There is so much more to talk about, but let me say that foreign interference is a serious issue. We should not stand for foreign interference. I understand the febrile nature of this debate and that no one wants to be seen as being on the wrong side of it. However, a bad bill will not help us in our fight against foreign interference, especially if it is cast so widely that fundamental rights are threatened and it leads to the stigmatization of individuals and groups who are seen as holding the wrong views."

"We have not given this bill the scrutiny it deserves, and I fear we will come to regret rushing it through our chamber."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "Proposed s. 20.4 - Influencing political or governmental process – should be revisited to include more specific definitions and introduce safeguards against infringing on participation in the democratic process."

"This section is particularly problematic, given the ease with which unsupported or baseless accusations are made that protest movements, that seek to influence public policy, are influenced or acting at the behest of foreign actors."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf "Part 4 of the bill, which purports to create a foreign influence Registry, includes vague and broad language that contravenes the principle of democratic accountability. This language also raises concerns about the potential use of the Registry as a tool that could allow the government to monitor not only foreign influence specifically, but also, more generally, the international engagement of various actors, including foreign state-owned or funded media, academic institutions and charities, as well as international organizations such as the United Nations. These considerations potentially involve freedom of the press and privacy issues, as well as questions as to the place reserved for international organizations in Canada’s ecosystem."

"For instance, it is possible that an individual who has been in contact with a foreign state-owned media or academic institution and who has then engaged with the public with respect to a Canadian political process would be required to provide detailed information to the Registry as to the individual’s activities."

"Bill C-70’s definition of “arrangement” is also broad and notably includes an arrangement under which a person undertakes, “in association with” a foreign principal, to communicate by any means information related to a political or governmental process."

"The term “in association with” is not defined, and the comprehensive list of arrangements that will fall outside of the Registry’s scope is again left to future regulation."

"This vague language, which does not require a subordinate relationship between the foreign principal and the person, could possibly capture individuals engaging with the public while being or after having been in contact with foreign state-owned or funded broadcasters, charities, organizations, or academic institutions, in addition to international organizations such as the United Nations."

"the proposed sabotage (essential infrastructure) offence carries a significant risk of deterring and suppressing peaceful protest. For context, the proposed new offence does not contain language around foreign interference as an element of the offence, and is therefore applicable in wholly domestic matters. Among our concerns are that,

  • what constitutes a “a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or any segment of the public” under s. 52.1(1)(c) is undefined, and could therefore capture conduct that does not pose a direct or imminent risk of bodily harm, e.g. it may be argued that a protest that disrupts major vehicular intersections in a city poses a serious risk because it interferes with police or ambulance response times;"

2. The Final BillWe will examine just one small portion of the final version of the bill to explore some of the corresponding issues.

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-70/royal-assent "Part 2 amends the Security of Information Act to, among other things, create the following offences:
(a) committing an indictable offence at the direction of, for the benefit of, or in association with a foreign entity;"

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (“CCLA”) "is concerned about the scope of this provision and its exceptional penal consequences.
This offence results in life imprisonment – a potential sentence for criminal offences that are otherwise punishable by far lower sentences. For example, a person convicted of mischief in relation to property for the benefit of a foreign entity faces up to life imprisonment, instead of a maximum sentence of two years less a day. While foreign interference is a legitimate policy concern, it should not oust reasonable sentencing ranges for criminal offences which fall toward the lesser end of the spectrum."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM_C-70_Brief_CBACJS_e.pdf The Canadian Bar Association: "The CBA Section is concerned with the potentially overbroad and vague nature of the new criminal offences created in Bill C-70. We believe there is nothing inherently criminal about a foreign entity defined in s. 2 of the Bill. Sections 20, 20.1, 20.2, and 20.3 either create or amend offences done "at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with" a foreign entity (s. 20.4 does not contain the "for the benefit of language")."

"This language is only found in the Criminal Code about terrorist and criminal organizations, both of which are by their very definition, criminal entities with which no one should knowingly be involved. The use of that language in those settings is hence a very clear and deliberate warning of what constitutes a crime. In contrast, there is nothing inherently criminal about a foreign entity. Foreign entities can be states, opposition parties, or other groups that meet the definition under the Bill."

"Therefore, to apply the phrase "at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with", traditionally used for clear criminal entities, to entities that are not inherently criminal gives rise to a concern that the Bill has an overly broad ambit of the law. We have a further concern about vagueness since determining whether a group constitutes a foreign entity is a retroactive exercise based on a definition that covers many completely lawful entities. This is particularly worrisome given the potential life sentences that attach to these offences and the statutory bar against multiple sentences running concurrently."

The wording "for the benefit of" does not require an affiliation. It may be as simple as a Canadian happening to have the same thought as a foreign entity.

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "Bill C-70 also changes the Security of Information Act, including a new indictable offense for the carrying out of any indictable offense - including relatively minor transgressions - if done for the benefit of a foreign entity. This, along with other new or modified offenses, would be punishable by either life in prison, or consecutive sentences that could amount to life in prison, provisions that are normally reserved for the worst forms of crimes and raise concerns of proportionality in sentencing."

You may wish to read the bill in its entirety because there are clauses in there which demonstrate that social media will be monitored and which show that use of intimidation (which does not appear to be clearly defined) or a threat can send you to jail for life.

3. Rushed LegislationThe repeatedly stated reason for rushing was because it was expected to take at least a year, until June 2025, or later, to implement a registry and make other changes happen in time for an October 2025 election. I have been unable to find any evidence of any other reasons given for the need to rush the process. This reason is no longer going to apply if an election happens in March 2025. Some people might say that even if an election were to occur in October 2025, this reason for rushing is insufficient to overcome the negative impacts of Bill C-70.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12771238 Mr. René Villemure (Trois-Rivières, BQ): "I repeat, the Bloc Québécois will support Bill C-70 in principle, but not at the cost of civil liberties. This is an absolutely fundamental issue that demands the utmost vigilance on the part of legislators. We are in favour of passing the bill quickly at second reading, but we would be remiss if we did not conduct a serious study in committee. This must not be rushed through."

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Salma Ataullahjan: "Senator Dean, thank you for your speech on Bill C-70. I’ve heard from stakeholders who are concerned that we may be rushing to make changes to our national security legislation which could ultimately impact Canadian civil liberties. I am concerned by the use of the term “intimidation” in clause 53. It lacks a clear definition, and yet it could lead to a person’s life imprisonment. Would you consider either removing the term “intimidation” from clause 53 or, alternatively, amending clause 53 to include a specific definition of “intimidation”?"

There does not appear to have been sufficient time to address this "intimidation meaning" concern in the final wording of the bill.

Honourable Yuen Pau Woo: "Barely two hours ago, 20 of our colleagues were at 1 Wellington to receive a technical briefing on Bill C-70. That’s less than a quarter of our complement of senators. I’m now standing before you, rushed to make a speech after receiving this briefing on short notice, with inadequate preparation, but, nevertheless, I would like to put some things on the record."

"The first thing, which should be obvious from my preamble, is that we are rushing this bill. There is no question that we are pushing this through with a kind of haste that is not becoming of the upper chamber. I think it is correct to say that at the technical briefing there were many questions that were not asked because of a lack of time, and there were many answers given that were, to some of us, unsatisfactory."

"Colleagues, the purpose of second reading, typically, is to talk about the principle of the bill. Let me say, first off, that I support the principle of the bill, but the idea of discussing the principle is in anticipation of the bill being sent to a committee where the details of the bill can be studied carefully and possible flaws in that bill can be scrutinized and possibly fixed. What we have instead, as you all know, is a pre-study that took place last week, also rushed, and when the National Security and Defence Committee meets tomorrow — starting 8 a.m., by the way, for those of you who are interested — it will go directly into clause-by-clause consideration. We are essentially skipping — leapfrogging — from second reading to clause by clause, and then, presumably, a third reading vote by Thursday."

"Colleagues, we are taking less time to review this consequential bill than we did with anti-terrorism bills in the last three decades — in 2001, 2012, 2015 and 2019 — all of which were passed quickly enough in the heat of the moment and were flawed. Some of them had to be fixed a few years later."

"You may remember, for example, the 2019 amendments to what was previously Bill C-51, the anti-terrorism bill."

"The likelihood of Bill C-70 is that it will go through to a third reading vote and pass before we rise for the summer — flaws and all. And perhaps we will have a chance down the years to fix some of those flaws, but in the meantime, the price to be paid by the flaws in the bill will be the individuals and organizations who will be trapped or caught by what I think is an overly wide and overly sticky spider’s web that is Bill C-70."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "This expedited study means that experts and organizations with limited resources have had to rush their analysis of the bill, and has made submitting briefs and appropriate amendments nearly impossible. While we are please to be submitting this brief, and stand behind our concerns, much of what we are recommend are preliminary suggestions that would have benefited from great time for discussion and elaboration."

"Rushing the parliamentary process, supported by a state of suspicion and ardent calls to protect national security, can lead to serious, negative and long-lasting consequences. An expedited study also risks missing ways the bill could be improved to better address issues of foreign interference."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf The Canadian Civil Liberties Association "wishes to highlight to the Members of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs (“Senate Committee”) its deep concerns about the way the study of Bill C-70, An Act respecting countering foreign interference, is currently taking place. This bill, which is almost 100 pages long, went through its second reading in the span of one day, on May 29, 2024. The very next day, the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (“House Committee”) began studying it and convoking witnesses, with a deadline for hearing witnesses set to 5 business days later: June 6, 2024."

"Despite the calls from several civil society organizations, including the CCLA, to slow down the legislative study’s pace so meaningful public consultations may take place, the House Committee is set to begin its clause-by-clause review of Bill C-70 on June 10, 2024. On the same day, the Senate Committee will simultaneously undertake its pre-study of the same bill."

4. Is it Better than Nothing?We are not in a situation of "Bill C-70 versus nothing." According to the Honourable Senator Dean, who introduced the legislation to the Senate, there was already comprehensive legislation in place as of the year 2019 for detecting foreign influence and for reporting this information confidentially to the government. Foreign influence was detected using existing legislation and it was reported to the government confidentially in the last election, leaving it up to the government on how to act on the matter.

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Tony Dean: "In 2019, before a general election, the government announced the plan to protect Canada’s democracy. Measures introduced as part of the plan included the Critical Election Incident Public Protocol, the Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Task Force, the Digital Citizen Initiative, the G7 Rapid Response Mechanism, and the Canada Declaration on Electoral Integrity Online. These measures were in place for the 2019 election with the intention of countering any foreign interference attempts."

  1. Information on Petitions

A petition is not allowed to contain links, but quoting text from government websites may add strength to a petition.

  1. Proposed Petition

Petition to the Government of Canada

Whereas:

Members of Parliament were denied sufficient time to review Bill C-70 and to properly fix it in Committee;

Senate Member: "Colleagues, we are taking less time to review this consequential bill than we did with anti-terrorism bills in the last three decades — in 2001, 2012, 2015 and 2019 — all of which were passed quickly enough in the heat of the moment and were flawed.";

Senate Report: "Given the importance of the subject matter of Bill C-70, the committee is of the opinion that it would have benefitted from additional time to study this legislation.";

Thought crime: Canadians who align in thought with a foreign entity can receive life-in-prison even when no association with said foreign entity exists; and

House Member: C-70 "has manifest flaws in it that have been raised to all of us through a variety of sources in civil society, academia and from ordinary Canadians."

We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to:

1 Repeal/revert/cancel/undo/reverse Bill C-70 and its effects; and

2 Revisit the issues raised by Bill C-70 in sufficiently long Parliamentary sessions and Committee meetings to get things right.

  1. Next Steps

You can help! A petition has not yet been created. If you are willing to assist with the process of creating a petition, your help would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to contact me if you can provide support.

I am hopeful that Lemmy users will come together to create a petition, even though it means sharing your contact information with someone online.

Alternatively, if you are someone who could get maybe 6 friends or colleagues to agree to sign up for petition accounts, you are welcome to create the petition amongst your group.

https://mander.xyz/post/26444218 That link gives information about creating a petition account.

Feel free to "save" this post and revisit it.

Potential Members of Parliament to use for sponsoring a petitionHon. Mr. Charlie Angus charlie.angus@parl.gc.ca

Hon. M. Alexandre Boulerice Alexandre.Boulerice@parl.gc.ca

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A lazy person can rely on the downloaded mobile app or desktop application to save the password, provided you normally take good steps to protect your device from physical access.

After you create your account, you will be given 64 character recovery code to write on paper. It is highly recommended you record these 64 characters on paper and store the paper in a safe place. Maybe the same place where you would put a cryptocurrency passphrase or a secret map to pirate treasure. It would also be nice to write the password on paper and safely store it there.

It is not recommended to use a "notes app" or any other electronic method of storing your 64 character recovery code. The convenience of cloud sync means you may lose the confidentiality of your communication. For a similar reason, it is not recommended to print your 64 character recovery code. You may instead choose not to store a copy of the 64 character recovery code anywhere since you can look it up later within your account as long as you do not forget your password.

If you usually enjoy using the convenience of synchronizing passwords from one device to another, a different approach is offered for Tuta. Install a mobile app or desktop application on each device and save your password within the Tuta mobile app or Tuta desktop application. If you protect physical access to your device, you can enjoy this convenience without your password being synchronized through another cloud service.

If you are willing not to be lazy, choose a password you can remember and do not mind typing each time.

After you create your account and log in, useful icons will appear on the left side of the screen. On mobile devices, you may need to open a menu of 3 horizontal bars to access the icons. Select the lightbulb icon (News) and choose to deactivate (or activate) usage data. Close the popup.

In that same section of icons, choose the gear icon (Settings). On mobile devices, you may need to open a menu of 3 horizontal bars menu to switch between Settings subpages. Switch to the Email subpage.

On the Settings Email subpage, there are useful settings. You can change how emails are displayed. You can change the email signature to a custom one. You can set a default delivery value for emails to non-Tuta users (confidential means sharing a password with them, not confidential means unencrypted email, and your choice can be changed when writing an email). Under the Email addresses heading you can expand the list and press the 3 horizontal dots to set your name.

If you ever plan to email someone outside of Tuta, you'll want to set your name so your email isn't marked as spam. If you only want to use Tuta privately with friends and family, you do not need to set your name and emails will still be delivered safely to other Tuta users.

Most other Settings have reasonable defaults and can be viewed later.

To return to your inbox on a mobile device, press the Emails icon in the lower left. On desktop, click the Emails button in the upper right.

On your mobile device, you can create a New email by pressing the piece of paper and pencil icon in the upper right. On desktop, click the New email button at the upper left.

Tuta protects your IP address and does not send it in the email header of your email messages.

Tuta emails you, including tips, news, self-promotion of their paid plans, and partner ads offering a discount. Other than targeting free users with self-promotion of their paid plans, there are no targeted advertisements. Your mailbox is not used to profile you and your mailbox is not given to AI.

If you previously created a Tuta account and saved your password in your web browser, I suggest changing your password and do not save the updated password in your web browser. To change your password, choose the gear icon (Settings) on the left side of the screen. On mobile devices, you may need to open a menu of 3 horizontal bars to access the icons. The Login subpage is already selected and you can change your password. You can also choose to update your recovery code if you feel it may have been leaked.

I suggest using Lemmy's "Send Message" feature to share your Tuta account with other Lemmy users and then continue your private discussions more privately with Tuta.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My best guess would be that a minimum of five supporters helps to weed out some inappropriate petitions. Having more than five can help to meet the minimum in certain circumstances, such as someone falling critically ill and not being able to participate any longer. Having more than ten could create an additional administrative burden.

Supporters are expected to be valid people, actually be in support of the petition, and be responsive to email.

If we could provide more than 10, imagine what might happen. If 2000 people were allowed, those people might just be people from the initiator's address book who know nothing of the issue. The burden would fall on the House of Commons to poll each person until 5 of them agreed to the petition. With the realistic limits, the initiator is expected to be sufficiently serious and responsible about the petition process.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Great questions!

1] What organization is it?

The https://www.ourcommons.ca/ website is used by a part of the Parliament of Canada, and specifically, the House of Commons. For a legislative bill to become legislation (law) in Canada, two organizations of the Parliament of Canada, the House of Commons and the Senate, must each go through 3 of their own rounds of process. For each of these 2 organizations, as part of their respective third round, a majority of the respective organization must vote in support of the bill.

Even when these majority votes allow a bill to pass into legislation, it is possible that the legislation is great but it is also possible that the legislation is terrible, or somewhere in between.

The House of Commons represents the federally elected officials. It is also possible for a Member of the House of Commons not to be elected in certain circumstances, such as with Prime Minister Carney.

2] What is a petition all about and where does it appear?

As Charles mentioned, it is possible to submit a paper petition. This discussion will instead focus on electronic petitions but some of the information applies to either one.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/procedure-and-practice-3/ch_22-e.html "Petitions addressed to the House of Commons and presented to the House by its Members constitute one of the most direct means of communication between the people and Parliament."

https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/procedure-and-practice-3/ch_22_1-e.html "In Canada, provisions for petitions (long a feature of the pre-Confederation legislative assemblies) have always been part of the written rules of the House." Canadians have enjoyed the right to petition the House of Commons to comment on bills, legislation, or other matters affecting Canada, based not on the Constitution but instead based on well entrenched, centuries-old tradition and established precedent.

Practically speaking, petitions may fail to meet some requirements. If the petitioners do not want to abandon the issue, a petition will often have to be recreated. Improper language can be one reason. As another reason, 500 signatures are required before a chosen deadline. As another example, Parliament may get dissolved before a petition gets read and will need to be recreated in the following Parliamentary session. Some example petitions have been recreated 8 times, such as for repeatedly failing to meet the 500 signatures mark.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide "Once the deadline for signing a petition has closed (i.e., after 30, 60, 90 or 120 days), the Clerk of Petitions will proceed with a final validation of signatures. If there are at least 500 valid signatures, the Clerk of Petitions will issue a certificate to the member of Parliament who authorized the online publication of the petition. It can then be presented to the House by any member. A record of this presentation will appear in the Journals for that day and the petitioner, supporters and signatories of the petition will be advised by email after its presentation."

"The Standing Orders of the House of Commons require the government to respond to every petition presented to the House within 45 calendar days. If the House is not sitting on that day, the response must be presented at the next sitting of the House. The petitioner, supporters, signatories, and the member of Parliament who authorized the online publication of the e-petition will be notified by email when the response is tabled in the House. A copy will also be found on the petitions website along with the original petition."

https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/standing-orders/Chap4-e.html "If such a petition remains without a response at the expiration of the said period of 45 days, the matter of the failure of the ministry to respond shall be deemed referred to the appropriate standing committee. Within five sitting days of such a referral the Chair of the committee shall convene a meeting of the committee to consider the matter of the failure of the ministry to respond."

3] Do these petitions actually do anything?

Petitions bring formal awareness of an issue to the Parliament of Canada and to interested members of the public. If this awareness leads to many people signing a petition or if the issue is of great importance, the media may report on the issue.

When the House of Commons responds, while it may not take the requested action, it will attempt to provide helpful guidance on the issue. Related laws or regulations may be quoted. Advice for contacting more relevant people may be given. For example, if a petition was made to the House of Commons for educational reform, the House of Commons may suggest contacting provincial and territorial governments since it is those governments who look after education matters in Canada.

When it is in the power for the House of Commons to directly act on an issue, it is possible for a related action to take place.

4] What happens to my information?

The person who initiates (creates) a petition has their name, city, and province or territory published on the House of Commons website. This person should truly believe in the worthiness of the cause and should be willing to stand up for the issue being raised. If it is a truly noble, worthy, and appropriate cause, this person deserves our respect.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide "The petitioner's other personal information will be safeguarded on the House of Commons' servers."

The personal information of an initiator, a supporter, or a signatory may be used to contact that person by the "House of Commons' authorized personnel" during the petition process. For example, email addresses will be used for validation and phone numbers may optionally additionally be used for validation. "Data may be used for statistical purposes."

"None of the personal information provided to the House of Commons by a supporter or a signatory will be published on this website."

"a general breakdown of signatures by province and territory will appear and remain on the website along with each e-petition."

"Supporters' and signatories' personal information collected through the petitions website will be safeguarded for a duration of six months after the e-petition becomes inactive, or until the dissolution of a Parliament, whichever is earlier, after which it will be destroyed by the House of Commons' authorized personnel."

5] Guidance on inappropriate petitions

A petition should not include signatures from fake people and should not contain information known to be false. A petition should be cautious not to include potentially libelous or defamatory statements.

A petition should not be about "impertinent or improper matters" and it would likely be better to vent about these things on social media than to waste valuable time in Parliament, since a relevant action will not be able to take place.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

1] As you say, it is helpful to have an account for initiating (creating) a petition.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide "Note: A petitioner may only have one e-petition open for signature in their name at any one time."

If Fediverse users are willing to collaborate together on creating petitions, we will need at least one registered user per petition.

2] It can also be helpful to have an account to support a petition.

"When you draft your petition, you will be prompted to identify at least five potential supporters (Canadian residents or citizens), but no more than ten, and provide their emails."

3] Regarding your point about logging in not helping with signing a petition, I agree with you it would be expected and helpful to be able to more easily sign a petition after logging in.

Maybe you found a bug. Maybe it is a cookies issue. Maybe it was not designed the way we might expect. Let me contact them to see what they have to say and at a minimum raise a feature request with them to make it work the way we might expect.

4] Regardless, "The House of Commons' authorized personnel will have access to the personal information of a petitioner, supporter and signatory, and may use it to contact them or to validate their identity to ensure the integrity of the e-petition process."

Because of uncertainty in how the validation process is conducted, it may be helpful for people to sign up for accounts over time, leaving sufficient time for validation.

Because of the issue for 3], the most compelling reasons at this time are to be prepared to help with 1] and 2].

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

You probably needed a lot of finesse to use this tool well. If you rotate it too quickly, you risk pages flipping in the generated wind.

You might want a way to mark your place on a page, similar to the idea of a scrollbar in a browser.

You also have the contemporary issue of opening too many books (tabs) to have enough time to read them.

Standing could become tiring and sitting might require careful positioning to avoid hitting yourself.

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As an example, the following petition asks the Government of Canada to explore alternatives to Twitter/X, such as decentralised networks. I see the petition was already linked elsewhere on Lemmy but it is not clear how many people actually took action on creating a petition account.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-5359 e-5359 (Government services and administration)

"We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to transition official government communications away from Twitter/X to more secure, community-regulated platforms that prioritise public safety, accurate information, and accessibility. We encourage the government to explore publicly accountable alternatives, including decentralised networks, to ensure reliable and responsible communication with Canadians."

The request here is to do more than upvote a Fediverse thread. The request is to spend the time to create a petition account and upvote the petition.

To create a petition account, a person must be a Canadian citizen or a resident of Canada. Other people can simply provide moral support on the Fediverse.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Account/Register

The petition account needs a person's name, email, phone, and address. The address will include the city and postal code but not the street address.

Fake information is not acceptable and "may be dealt with as a breach of privilege" https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/procedure-and-practice-3/ch_22_2-e.html Please do not create fake accounts.

Automatic email verification will be performed to confirm the creation of a petition account.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Living longer is only half the battle – the real challenge lies in ensuring those extra years are worth living. Perhaps it’s time to shift our focus from simply extending life to expanding the portion of life lived in good health."

"What’s driving this growing health gap? In the United States, mental health and substance use disorders top the list, followed closely by musculoskeletal conditions – things like arthritis, back pain, and other mobility-limiting ailments."

Time to get more exercise. Go out for nature walks. Nature is sufficiently breathtaking to replace the perceived highs of sustance use. Watching nature is probably much better for your mental health than watching TV.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

It looks as though it was a controlled descent. The arms are tucked in to reduce its upper body width. The leg hangs on long enough to ensure going through head first. The second picture might even be a kick to really force the orientation of travel.

If you are a creature who is falling through a hole, maybe going head first is a pretty good tactic. Once you get to the bottom, you can crawl forward, possibly burrowing along the ground under the fabric as you crawl.

The alternative of your rear end facing down and your body folded in on itself could have meant getting stuck. Ingenious creature.