[-] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're not the left. The left hates you.

Projection for $100, Chuck. We're not the ones advocating for the global interests of white supremacist fascist nations in their genocide of the third world.

You're just bloodthirsty edgelords being astroturfed by Russian paid trolls.

"ERRYONE I DONT LIKE IS M-MUH RUSSIAN BOTERINOS!!!" I hope you're memeing because this is going into the realm of unhinged conspiracy theories otherwise.

you just want Russia to win the war. You're the person watching George Floyd getting choked to death here and says "well it's his fault for resisting."

  1. No, we don't want there to be a fucking war in the first place, a peace deal is not a loss for either side except NATO because they don't get to destabilize another region with a forever war like how they did with Afghanistan.

inb4 "muh russia must b punished"!!!!

the lack of nuance you have about this situation truly reveals that you're just a puppet mouthpiece for NATO's fascist, warmongering propaganda to further its interests in the region through bloody conflict.

  1. The 8 year war between Russia and Ukraine (NATO) is the same as america doing systemic genocide against black people after enslaving them for over 400 years, and, even after, doing everything in their power to make the life of a black person in america a truly miserable experience, yes. What a fucking disgusting comparison and minimization of america's evil.

The only thing separating you from actual fascists is username pronouns.

Imagine seething this much over pronouns lmao

And again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being "in favor of a fascist government"? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?

Nobody actually thinks russia is a force for good in this situation, its just that an end of hostilities for the drafting of a peace agreement is much better for the people.

As a french dude...

Opinion rejected gigachad

You continue your shit hole's history of imperialism by dictating what is right and wrong for a colored mans nation to do in a faraway geopolitical situation you are largely uninformed about. And the fucking gall of using the bloody history of your barbaric country's colonial exploits as a way to give such pontifications some form of authority. Lmao shut the fuck up and sit down you arrogant bastard.

I wasn't referring to you in particular, I was referring to describing types of "liberals" in general. I am not implying that there is something inherently wrong with being uneducated. Everybody is uneducated in a variety of fields outside of their own expertise, such as nuclear physics, foraging, farming, etc. Similarly, most american progressives simply do not know what the terms "left" and "right" mean in a political context, therefore, they are uneducated. Rather, I was implying that these progressives are well meaning, good-hearted people who just need a bit more knowledge as to where they could direct their energy towards political change. I apologize if it came off as condescending, maybe I should have used the term "unactivated" or "new to politics".

but there are other worthy worldviews and subjects to spend time on that hardly make me uneducated

Thats good, keep reading. If you are interested in politics then I would recommend reading the works of Micheal Parenti.

Ok when the word "shitlib" is used here we're referring to smug, rude, arrogant, reddit-brained imbeciles who functionally support imperialism, right wing apologia, and casual bigotry. They also operate in bad faith from the get go.

Uneducated progressive "liberals" who are nonetheless openminded and empathetic are not the people who this term refers to.

Translated:

wojak-nooo "I CONSTANTLY SEETHE AT HEX AND GRAD FOR BEING LEFTISTS SO I JUMP AT SHADOWS, EMBARASSING MYSELF IN HOPES OF OWNING THEM!!!"

But you gotta acknowledge that calling Russia's intervention an "invasion" is antithetical to supporting Donbas.

So lemmy get this straight, NATO going across a few oceans and continents to destroy a country of brown people in another white supremacist crusade for resources, as they do, is the same as...

A country filled with a certain ethnic group wanting to invade a region on their doorstep because NATO is fortifying it as a strongpoint to destroy it, and a bunch of Nazis are slaughtering civilians of the said same ethnic group within the said region?

Would you support Kazakhstan invading all of China for oppressing Uyghurs in Xinjiang

So basically exaggerated bullshit reports from MSM and Adrian Zenz of people being put in vocational schools is the same as Azov mass murdering innocent civilians?

willfully uninformed

you initially confused the words "un-informed" and "dishonest". Most literate liberal

If US hegemony ended today, it would mean immediate war [...] The US is far and away the most powerful military in the world, and without the threat of the US military intervening on behalf of its allies, those conflicts are nowhere near as one-sided as they are today. [...]

See, the problem here is that all the potential apocalyptic conflicts between american allies and other nations are contingent on the existence of american foreign meddling in the first place. The global conditions of multipolarity between now and WW1 are different. The reason for animosity between america's allies and their neighbors is that the neocolonial western powers, headed by america, are using these allies as pawns, puppets to further their own interests within these regions against its enemies. It would instead be more accurate to say that if america's enemies were weaker militarily and economically, america would be able to swoop in and destroy their people via a combination of hard and soft power using its allies as forward operating bases. I am not saying that the enemies of america are perfect nations, however, in the absence of american meddling, they have been shown to pursue more peaceful and mutually beneficial international relations with neutral nations, as opposed to outright warfare and economic genocide, as america does.

As such, if there is no america, then there would be no threat of slaughter for its enemies through its allies, and therefore there would be no more reason for the sort of animosity that could spiral into a nuclear war. The enemies of america, due to their position, are generally intelligent geopolitically, and do not possess the historical legacy of being colonial empires. If america truly fell, then they won't start wars against a now nonexistent enemy for no good reason.

Whatever you want to say about the crimes against humanity committed in the maintenance of US hegemony, I will agree with you, but that doesn't mean for a second that the alternative is better.

This is a common argument for a neoliberal status quo: "Well sure we know global regime X is shit and kills millions of people per year, but hey, all these strawman alternatives are bad so in the end, There Is No Alternative." It's been overused by conservative politicians to the point that its a slogan: TINA. However, we must realize that there are multiple alternatives, including the building of a better world.

Be careful what you wish for and all that.

Its going to collapse anyways over the next century or so, we do not need to wish for anything.

Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse.

Probably not, China is on record, better than the United States in that it does not destabilize burgeoning socialist governments nor engage in one-sided business deals with third world nations to cripple them with debt like how the west does in Africa. Furthermore, they have no historical precedent of engaging in genocidal colonialist ventures in countries halfway around the world from them. If China were top dog they would just be free to expand mutually beneficial international relations at a greater rate then they are doing now without fear of america and its allies nuking them for stepping out of line.

Russia, on the other hand, is truly a failed state that is also in decline. They have a dogshit military that can't even take a small pissant nation headed by a film star right on its border. It is very unlikely that Russia, in its current form, will be able to reach the same level of economic and military domination that america currently possesses.

Fundamentally, one of the other reasons why China and Russia are unlikely to do the same things is because they are not settler-colonial nations born from genocide. The ideology of Manifest Destiny, invading a militarily inferior nation, slaughtering every single one of the people there, plundering its resources, and settling the land for the sake of "Personal Freedom" (the American Dream), is a unique historical pattern that the very idea of america as a nation is contingent on.

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