@Dave @apples_and_pears

I've used Rclone with Proton Drive to mount a directory .... it is dreadfully slow. Maybe directory/file sync (where copies are both places) are better.

I cannot recommend Rclone for Proton Drive in "mount mode" currently.

@protonprivacy This is why I'm still using Tresorit on Linux .... One of two reasons (the other one is access to shared folders with read/write access).

@case2tv @Nelizea

Proton and Tuta has similar challenges most others don't care about (including FastMail) - End to End Encryption. That itself is a pretty hard nut to crack. FastMail and similar services don't need to think about that, which makes their services simpler.

I would also not claim that Tuta has a quicker development cycle. They had a round recently where more features were highlighted. But that's an exception. I've had a Tuta account for years as well, to test it out, and both the webmail and Android app is still not that feature rich.

And Proton delivers new features and updated apps quite regularly now compared to just a few years ago. Can it be better? Yes, of course. But still, they are doing alot than just 2-3 years ago. And 2-3 years was even better than the years before that.

Also consider that Proton delivers on a broad range of products and services. Mail, Calendar, Drive, Pass and VPN. Tuta basically has Mail and Calendar, where both of these Tuta services being fairly reduced in features still.

My experience (mostly using Mail and a little bit Drive these days) is that Protons releaes are also pretty solid. It's extremely seldom I'm hit by bugs these days. To have that kind of quality requires quite some QA efforts. I'm not claiming the other services are equally good, but Mail and Drive is now very stable - and Mail is especially crucial for my 15-20+ users abd myself.

Finally, Proton serves more than 100 million users by now. Tuta has reached a bit over 10 million, IIRC. That requires Proton to have more staff on support and operations tasks. So even if Proton has more than 400 employees, that's not 400 developers.

@nailoC5

Where and when?

@LinkOpensChest_wav

Just do me a favour, don't follow all the suggestions from random blogs, wikis and such. There are tons of them, the vast majority is rubbish and too often even making things worse or harder to cleanup afterwards. Most of it is even out of date.

@nixCraft is one of the saner ones to pay attention to. Or read the blogs and docs for #Fedora or even Red Hat Enterprise Linux (aka RHEL). The latter one goes through quality checks, often done by tech people knowing their stuff.

Linux Foundation and Red Hat also got some free courses too.

A few starting points:
https://training.linuxfoundation.org/training/introduction-to-linux/

https://www.redhat.com/en/services/training/rh024-red-hat-linux-technical-overview

https://access.redhat.com/products/red-hat-enterprise-linux/

@LinkOpensChest_wav

Yeah, some. You need to learn some new tools, like ssh, command line usage and how to keep the system up-to-date. That's the bare minimum. Then it's good to learn a bit of network firewalling, to secure the host better.

Then you need to deploy a VPN server. OpenVPN Access Server is easily installed and can help settings things up reasonably quickly. The unpaid install allows you to have 2 devices connected at the same time.

Alternatively, there is the Cloud Connexa service. That will function a bit more like the Proton VPN Secure Core when fully set up (you can can connect from your devices from a different region from your VPS's location). You run a few commands on your VPS which the Cloud Connexa wizard setup guides you through. The free plan here includes 3 connected devices (in your case VPS + 2 devices).

With both alternatives you can install the OpenVPN Connect app on your devices, provide the username/password/otp for the account you've created in Access Server or Cloud Connexa, and you're basically ready. The Connect app downloads the proper config file and you can connect just as the consumer VPNs.

@LinkOpensChest_wav

Regarding Proton VPN. That is probably the only consumer VPN service I'm willing to give some trust. But consumer VPNs are in general questionable services. They promise a lot more than they can really deliver.

Since I trust one of the ISPs I use where I live, I host my own VPN server there and use that instead. I would even claim that you probably get a more reliable with the same type of privacy if you just use a VPS host in a trusted country and set it up as a VPN server for only your own stuff.

This one is worth a read: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29

VPNs do have a purpose, when used correctly and for the problem a VPN was designed to solve. Consumer VPN services generally falls out of that scope.

So I use Proton VPN only when my direct access to my own VPN server is inaccessible. And I use Proton VPN to get through restricted networks, so I can get a connection to my own VPN server (double tunnel/tunnel in tunnel).

@Nelizea

Yes, I'll be hanging around _here_ 😁​

I'll contribute when something interesting appears in my streams.

@helenslunch

All this conversation is happening on Matodon in my case. I don't even know or care what Lemmy is.

@helenslunch

You're the one who said "Here". And to me "Here" is on Mastodon.
Be precise in your questions if you want precise answers.

@helenslunch

Yes. In fact, you can see their replies here, if you had bothered checking:
https://mastodon.social/@protonmail/with_replies