freamon

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[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

@julian This post as it appears on kbin.earth thinks it's from 11 months in the future, with a timestamp of 2026-02-27. It looks fine elsewhere though (e.g. on Lemmy). NodeBB has sent out some incorrect activities for this post, so I'm guessing that Lemmy fixed itself after processing a later Update, but MBIN didn't get it or didn't process it (I'm not that familiar with it, but it looks like no-one there is subscribed to either the category or you, so I don't even know how they created it in the first place)

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@julian I tested out a root post that mentioned a PieFed community, and it got there okay - it's viewable at https://pythag.net/c/sci_fi (and federated out okay to another PieFed instance at https://palaver.p3x.de/c/sci_fi@pythag.net)

My guess as to why Lemmy might not like it is that the activity contains:

"audience": "https://community.nodebb.org/category/-1"

It looks like Lemmy tries to fetch that and can't parse the response.

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

@rikudou Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to derail this thread. The GitHub issue was intended to only really be about the 'cc' problem, because it looks like PieFed will have to start sending Create/Note to non-Lemmy platforms anyway, but it'd easier if 'cc' doesn't have to be artificially included to keep NodeBB happy.

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 4 weeks ago

@julian Oh, I've just realised I read Nutomic's PR the wrong way around. After 2.0, you'll start getting Notes from them. If 'ChatMessage' processing isn't worth handling by NodeBB, I can change PieFed to send you Notes instead.

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

@julian I've added support to PieFed to successfully receive Create / Note as a PM from NodeBB.

From Nutomic's PR, it looks like you'll continue you get Create / ChatMessage from them, as also you will from PieFed. This currently fails, as I guess that it converts them into a Create / Note, but then complains of there being no 'cc'.

It doesn't make sense for PMs to be 'carbon copied' to anyone, so I'll raise an Issue at your repo.

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 4 weeks ago

@freamon Update: no, Lemmy doesn't understand them either. It rejects Create / Note without a community with the usual "did not match any variant of untagged enum AnnouncableActivities"

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

@julian It currently doesn't. If someone is Mentioned, the assumption is that it was part of post / comment in a community, and it fails because it can't find the community. I know that, for Lemmy, if you Mention someone in a comment, and they don't have a copy of the community (or they do and there's no local subscribers to it), then it will reject it. I don't know what it does if there's no community at all (I'll figure out a way to test it, on a server I can control).

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

@julian Oh, right. Thanks. But yeah, it's what Lemmy (and PieFed) uses, so I just assumed it was part of AP, and never looked into it any further.

I was thinking while typing this "I bet that means that chat messages from NodeBB to PieFed will fail", which I just tested, and sure enough they do (I'll make an Issue for it on PieFed's repo).

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 4 weeks ago (16 children)

@rikudou As far as I understand things, a 'private message' in ActivityPub is Create / ChatMessage, not Create / Note. I think NodeBB wouldn't be the only software to complain if 'cc' is missing from either part of Create / Note (although it's not expected in either part of Create / ChatMessage).

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 3 points 1 month ago

Guppe Announces the original post, and the replies to it, but doesn't Announce anything else. For the replies, it also does what PeerTube does and sends out them unsigned, for instances to verify using the LD signature in the activity, or to fetch from the source. If you want to meaningfully vote on something that came from a.gup.pe, you have to send it to the original author, not to a.gup.pe like you would if you were voting from something from Lemmy, because a.gup.pe will just silently drop it.

Lemmy's communities Announce everything, but Mastodon only comprehends Announce as a Boost, so it just rejects the Announce of anything that's not a Page or a Note. There are other platforms though (e.g. Friendica) who will see the Announce of a Like, and go fetch it from it's source (most non-Lemmy platforms don't trust Lemmy-style Announces, because whilst it's against the spec for Announce contents not to be an exact copy of the original activity, there's nothing stopping a rogue community from misrepresenting users or undoing their intentions).

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@kirk@social.coop

The AP from NodeBB is missing the 'name' field for images (where alt-text is put). If you inspect that first image in a web browser, the alt-text reads "Pic of a flow battery development kit ...", but for the relevant AP, compare NodeBB with a random image on pixelfed:

curl -L -H 'accept: application/activity+json' https://fbrc.nodebb.com/post/8 | jq .attachment[0]

vs.

curl -L -H 'accept: application/activity+json' https://pixelfed.de/p/tercean/364 | jq .attachment[0]

[–] freamon@community.nodebb.org 1 points 1 month ago

@julian Awesome, thanks.

Hopefully Announce / Update isn't similarly afflicted! (I realise that activity is the source of its own Issue, so I haven't seen any yet).

 

I subscribed to activitypub@community.nodebb.org earlier, and got my first post. The activity looked like:

{
  "@context": "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams",
  "actor": "https://community.nodebb.org/category/30",
  "cc": [
    "https://community.nodebb.org/category/30/followers"
  ],
  "id": "https://community.nodebb.org/post/https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.nodebb.org%2Fpost%2F102768#activity/announce/1737427447686",
  "object": {
    "cc": [
      "https://community.nodebb.org/uid/24276/followers"
    ],
    "id": "https://community.nodebb.org/post/102768#activity/create/1737427442685",
    "object": {
      "@context": [
        "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams",
        {
          "Emoji": "toot:Emoji",
          "toot": "http://joinmastodon.org/ns"
        }
      ],
      "attachment": [],
      "attributedTo": "https://community.nodebb.org/uid/24276",
      "audience": "https://community.nodebb.org/category/30",
      "cc": [
        "https://community.nodebb.org/uid/24276/followers"
      ],
      "content": "<p>Looking through my logs (snip).</p>\n",
      "context": "https://community.nodebb.org/topic/18546",
      "id": "https://community.nodebb.org/post/102768",
      "inReplyTo": null,
      "name": "User Agent Used for Federation?",
      "published": "2025-01-21T02:43:57.558Z",
      "replies": "https://community.nodebb.org/post/102768/replies",
      "source": {
        "content": "Looking through my logs (snip)",
        "mediaType": "text/markdown"
      },
      "summary": null,
      "tag": [],
      "to": [
        "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public"
      ],
      "type": "Note",
      "updated": null,
      "url": "https://community.nodebb.org/post/102768"
    },
    "to": [
      "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public"
    ],
    "type": "Create"
  },
  "to": [
    "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public"
  ],
  "type": "Announce"
}

As you can see, there's an 'actor' in the Announce (for the community), and 'attributedTo' in the Note (for the user), but no 'actor' in the Create part. I've not seen this behaviour on any other platforms - there's always an 'actor', with the same value as the 'attributedTo' field in the Note.

I tried to reply to my account on another platform on post , but it didn't federate out (I don't know if having to wait for moderator approval affects this). Given that Announce normally just wraps the original object, it suggests that there'll also be no 'actor' in 'Create' when it's just 'Create/Note' being sent out, but I haven't been able to check. This is a bit inconvenient (for me at least), because I'm used to using that field to get the details of the user who signed the request, and it'll be a pain to have to dig into the Note's 'attributedTo' field to find it.

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