Hey let's drop it. I didn't mean to touch a nerve. I'm sorry for wasting your time friend. Hope you have a nice night.

Sorry if you think I'm heated. I'll tone it down. I really tend to overuse expletives for emphasis. I want to be clear that I understand you. However, I think that "equality in it's highest form" is some kind of platonic magic that doesn't exist in the reality we live in and is completely irrelevant to any of this. Like, it's pretty ridiculous to remove context from a situation and just blanket "equality" on something. Your version is some really thoughtless black and white stuff that could use maybe a minute of consideration. Like treating someone without legs the same as someone who can walk and forgoing ramps because that's equality in the highest form. "With no negatives" would require the legless fella to have legs. And would that require giving them legs to achieve equality? What about the legged people who didn't get a hugely expensive surgery? Is equality giving them cash to equal that out? I'm saying it's actually always complicated. Equality with context (and even really really simple thought) concludes that treating everyone equally means treating some people differently. Because, y'know, you can't ask a paraplegic to use the stairs in most cases.

But I'm mostly just responding to inform and explain in case there's any chance of education or open mindedness and it seems like we're not getting anywhere.

No context needed? So like the narrowest scope for equality? Like you want straight people to be treated as lesser? Killed in other countries? Or maybe context would help with that type equality. Let's make the straights experience what the lgbtqia+ people did/do and that's equality.

Anyway, equality is great but we ain't even fucking there yet. Give the LGBT peeps their pride and celebration in the places where they won't be fucking killed for it. If I would be killed for having six toes in Australia and had just recently made it closer to being treated like another person in my own country I'd celebrate the shit out of my sixth toe all the god damn time. When someone comes to my six toe party/game/whatever with five toes, who cares. Live and let live. I'm celebrating with my six toed goblet and my six toed hat. When they show up and ask for a five toed goblet because it's only equal I'd probably make fun of them for having absolutely no understanding of what's being celebrated or why and tell them they could have one for a million dollars or whatever too. But I'm sure the straight name tag and recognition is 'equally' meaningful to straight people, right?

Literally had no idea lol. Thanks. I wonder why it's so under celebrated.

So I guess setting equality as the goalpost is fine. But I just don't think that straight people are really all that into having recognition for being straight. And I don't think that LGBT want straight people to be treated worse in order to achieve equality. So maybe not the best goalpost but it's close. Fish and birds have very different needs and equality is not really going to make it better without a lot of nuance.

Like the guy on fire begging for water doesn't deserve it more than you but if you point at him and say "no fair what about equality" it kind of ignores all the important context and makes you look like a dick.

I mean, I guess depending on context? This really isn't about static titles though. Like, nobody fought for straight people to be allowed to exist. Even in our modern age gays are still executed for being themselves. It's understandably offensive if someone is like "I want to show pride too!" if the thing you're proud of is winning the right to openly exist and the thing they're proud of is... being the more socially accepted and advantaged class?

It's not a perfect comparison but it's almost like if a rich person wanted a trophy for being rich because the lower class just got a trophy for surviving being poor.

You're so right! The straights are so brave and persecuted!

It's so hard to be considered the only valid sexuality by the majority of people and religions. They should definitely cater to the straights. The lgbtqia+ population shouldn't get a single thing- not protections, spaces, clothing, or even name tags that straights don't.

Think it's time that the straights get a pride day? Maybe a white lives matter movement is in order too! Maybe we should have a mens day as well. Hell, let's do something super special for all the straight white men since they have it so tough and their title is important and they fought soooooo hard for it.

I'm glad I was born a normal straight instead of a really fucking fragile straight.

Why do that when you already have so much anal lube?

I'm going to gaslight everyone by posting a bunch of my old ones and a single one that works.

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I love that Lemmy is so small that I get to run into this just scrolling.