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pyromaiden
Truly the Slavs will save us all.
Reddit is genuinely a repulsive place where the worst people with the worst takes go to jerk each other off.
"Propaganda" isn't a bad thing.
Barack O'Bomber
They still are.
The antagonistic attitudes that some feminists demonstrate when talking about these issues is entirely understandable tbh.
Most feminists are women (obviously) and womens' opinions, perspectives, needs, wants, & feelings are regularly being dismissed by our patriarchal society. The lack of value in our words, thoughts, and experiences lead to regular abuse, abandonment, isolation, and gaslighting. This is doubly so for feminists - who expressly reviled & ridiculed often by the public & institutions alike.
Naturally this leads to frustration, bitterness, and hostility. We get tired of being mocked and ignored while trying to discuss the nature of our oppression, its origins, and how to resolve it.
I don't and can't blame feminists who are more confrontational. I know what their feeling and I get it. The onus is on men to start listening to women if they want women to talk to them about womens' liberation and gender equality.
Because "misandry" is not real.
Men are not oppressed just by being men. Whatever 'hate' men may experience for their maleness is totally irrelevant by every metric. Men aren't subjected to abuse, exclusion, violence, etc. on a social or institutional level by any serious percentage just for the 'crime' of being men expressly because being a man isn't a crime.
You are rewarded for being a man. You are celebrated for being a man. You are empowered for being a man. This is true at all levels of society and it's why we live under patriarchy - the rule of men.
You might be oppressed for some other factor - such as being gay or trans - while being a man and the nature of that oppression may look different from how women or enbies are treated but you will never be oppressed just for being a man by itself.
Masculinity is a cult of male worship. Men aren't excluded from holding power in the sexual hierarchy just for being men; they will be excluded on other grounds like race, class, sexuality, or how they express their gender (i.e. not conforming to the 'ideal' masculine standard).
Misogyny is prejudice + power. Misandry is just prejudice with no power behind it making it an irrelevant social phenomenon. If the worst thing a man can face for being a man is mean words then he is not oppressed by any conceivable metric. Misogyny is a real thing that actually harms and kills; misandry is not and does not.
You may as well be talking about 'heterophobia', 'cisphobia', or 'anti-white racism' because that would make just as much sense. You can't oppress the oppressor class.
I agree with the core of what you're saying here but you shouldn't confuse the terms "immigrant" with "settler"; they are distinct concepts - one being a traveler who permanently relocates to another place and the other being an invader who attacks another people, destroy them, and steals their land & resources for themselves. Using them interchangeably just ends up rebranding Right-wing anti-immigrant rhetoric with a Left-wing veneer.
The USA was founded by settlers, for the benefit of settlers, serving the interests of settlers, and is maintained today by a settler culture and settler institutions which are maintained to this very day by the settler ruling class. We are not a "nation of immigrants" as liberals are so fond of saying; immigrants have continuously been an underclass to exploit, not a ruling class that exploits.
It's worse because "skeet" is a slang term for masturbation.
If people want to leave that's fine but somebody needs to put in the work necessary to dismantle the empire from within. "Just leave" is a solution for individuals; not the masses as a whole.
Some of us are too poor to leave anyhow.