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Yes, people were smuggling goods through the internationally recognized waters administered by Israel. When the IDF boarded the ship to stop the smuggling they were attacked by a group of the passengers. While unfortunate, it was legal to defend themselves. I will say that the IDF should have done more to prevent the escalation to the point that people didn't get killed, but that would likely have required an even larger show of force.

Justifying murder very cool. The law say to only use enough force necessary. Murdering with live ammunition is not

The loss of life and injuries resulting from the use of force by Israeli forces
during the take-over of the Mavi Marmara was unacceptable. Nine passengers were
killed and many others seriously wounded by Israeli forces. No satisfactory
explanation has been provided to the Panel by Israel for any of the nine deaths.
Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times,
including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the
material presented by Israel.

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/720841?ln=en&v=pdf

https://news.un.org/en/story/2010/09/352342

You can phrase it how you want, but at the end of the day they are smuggling goods in an area internationally recognized as being under the control and jurisdiction of a country. Part of nonviolent civil disobedience is that you are breaking the law. I don’t think it’s good that activists get hurt, but it’s definitely not surprising.

The occupation is illegal stop justifying the unjustifiable , there is a difference between occupied land and internationally recognized land administrated by a country. I don't want to hear about it being surprising or not. I want to know if you think the death of the 9 activists was respecting international law

This document expose all Israeli lies and you covering from them . You ain't fooling anybody pretending to be unbiased https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/mde150132011en.pdf

the event organizers had alleged ties to Hamas Everybody is Hamas according to Israel

Antisemitism is morally wrong no matter what the reason. Actually the occupation create more antisemitism and make jews unsafe everywhere not vice versa

The diplomats that was shot by israel in the west bank aren't any white peoplen either

Going back to the 2010 flotilla, it was 70 miles off the coast of Israel (well within the EEZ). Israel told them to to submit to inspection and that they would deliver the goods to Gaza. The flotilla refused to allow inspection in the EEZ and also refused to leave. Israel attacked and took over the ship. I’m really not sure what anyone was expecting here?

Do you have any source of the legality of murdering many activists on that ship?

https://imeu.org/article/fact-sheet-legal-status-of-israels-siege-blockade-of-gaza

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2011/09/how-can-israels-blockade-gaza-be-legal-un-independent-experts-palmer-report

The 7 of October atrocities would never happen if the UN country members did all they can do to stop the occupation. They could all decide to isolate Israel economically in the first year of Israel occupying Gaza and the west bank.

Before 7 of October the west countries population completely forgot about the 5 decades of occupation. The western leaders continued to support Israel with arms and economical exchange. The Arab countries was going to sign the Abraham accord isolating Palestinians even more , Israel never stopped building new settlements , they armed the settlers and are protecting them from legal persecution when they attack Palestinians. Israel left Gaza military and decided to control it from the outside. That mean Hamas would have never been able to do such a big operation that would shake the world and reminds the west and Arab countries for their duty to stop the occupation which again decide to ignore their duty and think that some smoke screen action would stop the occupation

I don't think there is a resistance group that didn't do act of terrorism due to oppression and desperation , technically and in real world you are denying Palestinians from armed resistance given by international laws. Without realizing it you basically adopt the status quo both side did terrible things and occupation will maintain.

I will continue to support the resistance actions of defense against the IDF and condemn the atrocities they did until a better resistance group appear or occupation end. I would call for punishing any person who participated in atrocities once occupation end.

Go through my comment history buddy, you’re preaching to the choir.

I don't care about your comment history. You keep saying you oppose occupation then deny Palestinians right to armed resistance.

Here's the catch for you though: ending the occupation is not realistic, it's the most idealistic thing one could be asking for right now.

Here the catch, no occupied country knew that one day there will liberate themselves from occupation, they just has to do what they have to do.

Ending occupation by all mean necessary is certainly more realistic then yelling in the cloud stop occupation and expect the occupier to stop occupying.

Because the reality on the ground, created by decades of colonization is that it is simply politically impossible to extract about a million settlers from the West Bank. So "ending the occupation" is exactly the kind of idealism that I'm also pushing for (like "don't take kids hostages").

That's why I ask for a one state solution. This is also ending the occupation and the only solution to stop violence on both side. Do you agree that a one state solution is the best option and this would happen only if Israel is weaken military and economically?

We should do better and stop the occupation. If we don't we let the occupied do what they have to do

You are an idealist ignoring history and human psychology .It would be cool if there was a resistance group that do not target any civilians and do not get money from shady group. This was never the case. I can got in history and see ton of massacre commited by the oppressed due to oppresion. Like nana sahib in india promising safety to a bunch of british civilians amd soldier and ending up massacring them.

Palestinians won't stay silence and keep hearing the useless both commited attrocities bs , waiting arabs and west countries to help which they will never do.

I don't support hamas, i support their actions against the idf terrorists only

Talking about a useful idiot, that's the palestinian autority collaborating with israel while israel arm and protect violent terrorists settlers and expanding settlements

ICJ is not doing it job. The genocide is so obvious

One of most disgusting zinoist