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Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55365151

I have found myself in a mental hole of tech-nihilism. Maybe even on the road to tech-fatalism. Long, rambly, Sunday night post, heads up. But I think I touch on the risk posed by even using privacy tools, something which I don't think I see discussed here because of where most of you live (Global North, where you have the right to tell a policeman to get a warrant for the most part). This is kind of about two things at once, they're related though.


Different events bubble this feeling to the surface but it's always there in the background. When I (and you) defected from Reddit cold turkey after they decided to cut off the API, I had this feeling. When I started having to use a VPN permanently, I got it again. And when I had to "move" my exit country because the UK started verifying identities online, I got it again. Can you guess how I felt this week, following Microsoft's bullshit about making it even harder to set up their OS without signing in? Or when I tried to use my trusty YouTube downloading scripts, only for them to seemingly require I feed them login cookies now? Or this whole Google Play dev verification thing? I don't even use Android!

I'm sure this is the case for most of you, but being anonymous online feels like more of a challenge and more of a necessity now. I don't want YouTube to log 900 music playlists under my account. I don't want to log into every Windows mini PC I set up for family. I know most of you obviously do not, and Lemmy being Lemmy there's this culture of saying well fuck the corporate internet altogether. Can't rip from YouTube? Fuck YouTube! Don't want to give M$ your blood type to set up a printer server NUC? Image Debian on it. etcetera etcetera. I know. I use Lemmy, I avoid Google search, I most definitely avoid most big tech products when I can. Don't need em.

But like... The corporate internet is still there. I quit Reddit, even though it was my online home for over a decade. But YouTube? That's a completely different beast. This just is where the videos are. I can host Pixelfed for my family and friends but I can't host video, much less expect everyone to. Most people aren't very computer savvy and YouTube is just where most people will post videos.

And since I use their service quite a bit, I did look into actually paying for their service. The folks you watch get a little kickback, and you no longer get ads on your TV and phone. I can stomach paying, even the uBlock Origin and piracy advocate that I am, just because I use it so much. But I use a VPN. And their FAQ explicitly has a page for this: you can't connect from outside of where you're paying, if you're paying. But it doesn't clarify whether it uses the country of your payment details, your IP, your location in Google Maps, or the country your account's settings are set to. In my case, those are four separate countries lmao

These are little complaints, but I don't think this is some "first-world" problem nothingburger. I suspect the UK identity verification scheme, or something similar, will start becoming more common around the world, regardless of how many data breaches happen. And not because some stuck up politicians are scared that a teenager could see a woman's penis online, oh no, I totally think the true purpose is to tag "unwanted" ideologies and prevent their spread. Wouldn't want anyone to type in ultra evil extremist words like "Palestinians have human rights" without consequences now would we. The fact that everyone is using their spin euphemism, "age verification", instead of what it is, "identity verification", gives them too much credit, even when being critical about it.

There is some irony in calling this a first world problem, because I live very decisively in the third world. Lebanon. Our internet speeds are shit, but for the most part, the internet here is pretty unrestricted. Combine this with most people's service coming via legal gray area local """ISPs"""" with haphazard IP ranges and messy CGNAT, and you have a plausibly anonymous and relatively uncensored connection. Beautiful, besides the 2Mb (yes, lowercase) speed.

But. But.

I was looking into setting up a meshtastic/LoRa/whatever network, that would link up my home with a few relatives who live nearby, as sort of an emergency backup. You probably only see bad news from where I live, I promise good things do happen here, but an emergency comms network in case something happens and services go down seems like common sense to me. Especially since these services go down when there isn't an emergency. But setting one of these up would definitely get me on a list here. I'd probably get an unpleasant "interrogation" for setting up a parallel communications network. Best case scenario I get asked to take it down and to keep my nose clean kiddo. Worst case, I'm accused of espionage and thrown in a cell because it's hard to explain what this stuff is to people who don't care about understanding it. I do not live in a place with consistent rule of law, or even the thin veil of it. Staying out of trouble is paramount.

Further, along the same topic. I remember seeing an article about some countries in the EU raising an eyebrow about GrapheneOS, where police are associating its use with drug dealers. Perhaps I would need such an OS in the future, as someone who is not a drug dealer but who hates what is going on with commercial tech. And so I started thinking about what using it would look like. The same concerns with my local police are there, but there is a worse one: I have been flying internationally into countries with much more strict security than Beirut's sticky, comfy little airport. I've been to Abu Dhabi in the past 24 months, what happens when I land in that airport with a "drug dealer phone"? I doubt Lemmy would even be allowed there if they knew what it was. I wonder what kind of shady deals Reddit had to crack to get approved, with how that place's culture and content was.

I wonder about this a lot. The VPN I use in Lebanon isn't blocked in the countries I visit for work, so I've felt relatively at ease so far. But I feel these tendrils of surveillance and data collection, of deanonymization. And it kind of terrifies me. I have to stand in the pleb physical stamping line in these techy airports, but I see people just walking through the electronic gates with nothing but an iris scan. It's weird. I can make a burner YouTube account to yoink cookies and download videos, but I shouldn't have to. I can log into a Microsoft account on a machine I'll be logging into their email from every day and connecting to their Minecraft auth servers from twice a year, but... this is not right at all. We all know what's downstream from tying your files to your identity.

I don't know. The rise of tech-induced willful ignorance and authoritarian regimes is scaring me. The fact that people's pensions are tied to AI companies that facilitate the terrorization and mass murder of innocents in the south of my country (and unquestionable genocide south of the border) fucking terrifies me. And it should, even if I wasn't a working-age Lebanese man. Even if I wasn't in those fucking databases.

I'm going to hold myself back from ranting about the fact that tech has come to almost exclusively mean predatory products and bullshit slop extruders to most people. About the cruel summary execution of our dream of cyberspace that we glimpsed on the early web. About how infuriatingly, nonchalantly shit almost every young person is at solving tech problems now. There is an immense, crushing powerlessness. I almost wish I didn't care about tech, about privacy, that I could give Glaxo-McUberzon my mother's maiden bone marrow and carry on with my day.

Almost.

I am 100% on the way to becoming a forest hermit with the way tech is going. And I'm a tech guy. I'm the tech guy to most people in my life. And boy howdy is a life of making coffee, chopping firewood, and screaming into the valley between commits to projects-that-go-nowhere looking real, real good right about now.


I should probably cross-post this to Tech Takes. But I don't think I'll be putting it on my personal blog. Doesn't feel right.

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In case you haven't heard the news, Framework went and publicly sponsored Hyprland (the most toxic part of Wayland by a country mile) and openly shilled Omarchy multiple times (the pet project of fascist shithead David Heinemeier Hansson) recently.

In response to well-justified backlash against this, founder Nirav Patel responded with FOSSbro platitudes about "[creating] a big tent" for open source".

If you've got any more updates on this self-inflicted shitshow, put them here so they can be collected in one place.

(In retrospect, that AI-pilled Framework Desktop should've been a major red flag they were gonna pull this shit.)

EDIT: Found a solid summary of the situation in the wild - recommend checking it out.

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‘a friend who’s a computer who isn’t your weird AI girlfriend’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMq04wTipg&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20251009-openai-and-jony-ives-siri-alike-has-compute-problems - podcast

time: 3 min 38 sec

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I just finished watching this kurzgesagt post and it got me thinking that one big piece of the puzzle for the issues caused by GenAI slop is the fact that algorithmic-driven social media like youtube, tiktok, facebook etc is driving views to slop indiscriminately and because slop is so quick and easy to make at a passable quality, it drowns out the human content and starves from from views and attention needed to sustain their advertising-based income.

If our social media were driven by what people were promised, being able to follow the people they subscribed/followed, then slop would likely not even reach their feeds,and if it did (by someone they followed switching to it silently) they could easily drop them from it.

It would actually be kinda ironic, if GenAI slop actually drives people away from algorithmic social media and towards more follow-based models.

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Are you for fucking real?

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Hi folks, another shitty story from the slop-pocalypse ((AI-)slopalypse?).

Archive link

Article from billboard, archive

NB: I think this story is bullshit. I imagine some parts are true, but there's no concrete source given for the "$3 million" figure. So it's my speculation that this story is hype cooked up by Suno (the AI company enabling this all) and thrown at publishers for an easy headline. Also the human behind this has their name spelled differently in the two articles, so clearly some quality journalism is happening.

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Reminds me of this:

I think atproto is a good protocol, but god bluesky-the-company is dogshit.

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I remember stumbling onto this site a year or so ago: https://www.reactionary.software/

I originally found it on r/shittysysadmin when a screenshot of the discord for it (so much for modern software being bloated and unusable) had the person behind it defending that the site didn't have an ssl cert, since that was a way "modern browsers control you".

I was curious and poked around on the site, and first thing you see is this:

Make software great again! For programmers who hate modern software. Modern software is overcomplicated, bloated, unreliable, incomprehensible, pointlessly ideological, and mostly unusable. We like the values of older software: simplicity, reliability, and usability.

This seems pretty fashy, but there is some legitimate criticisms of modern software.

Saving programming from modern culture

Nevermind, fash.

On the about page, he starts by mentioning html swipers, and one he made himself. The one he made is pretty dogshit on anything but a phone.

After talking a bit on how terrible modern software he then compares it to brick walls, which were also so much better back in the day (?).

He then rambles about ancient greece and rome.
An excerpt:

Why did it take to long? Because humanity had become just too stupid to appreciate good ideas. They weren't completely retarded. Ptolemy's horrible system did require some intelligence to create. [...] Today's West is currently at the level of the decaying Greeks, heading toward complete idiocracy. The programmers in Silicon Valley are like Ptolemy, able to construct and maintain horrible overcomplicated monstrosities, but totally unable to innovate at a fundamental level. All good programming ideas are rejected because they don't fit into current programming ideologies. Any programmer like Aristarchus who comes up with a good programming idea will be rejected and ridiculed for violating orthodoxy. Modern programmers are in love with their own ideas and love complexity. They hate simplicity and anything that violates their ideologies.

He then complains about how his parser was met with scorn by Modern Programmers, because they were too stupid to appreciate how good it was?

The post is here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Compilers/comments/cv78b3/parsing_for_programmers_who_hate_modern_software/

Some excerpts:

What is good? The short answer is that everything that modern culture hates is good, and everything that modern culture loves is bad. But we need more details than that. You can find good values in scripture or in good traditional culture. These values should be applied to programming and to everything else in life. I wrote an Old Testament guide to programming. I also discussed applying traditional Japanese culture to programming. These are just two examples. Any other scripture like the Quran or any traditional culture should work fine to give you good values, in contrast to the horrible values of modern culture, and these good values can guide you to writing good reactionary software.

So, anything anti-modern is good?

Going back to the homepage, there's a page for existing reactionary software.

Java 8.
One of the pinnacles of software, to him, is Java 8.
Not java specifically, just java 8.

Luan is a language he made, which I can only describe as a mash of lua, java and php.
Here's a snippet from the docs:

local Io = require "luan:Io.luan"
local Http = require "luan:http/Http.luan"

return function()
	Io.stdout = Http.response.text_writer()
%>
<!doctype html>
<html>
	<body>
		Hello World
	</body>
</html>
<%
end

So, this is basically a lua clone, written in java. with a few missing features .

The why page on the luan site is probably the most deranged bit of this.

Luan rejects the complexity of modern software. [...] Luan will appeal to you depends on who you are. Members of modern culture will not like Luan because they hate simplicity. Luan will only appeal to good cultures that value simplicity, so I will address the two good cultures that I know of.

The mentioned two good cultures are the Mennonites, and the Japanese.

Japan is the only remaining country that I know of that values quality.

You cannot expect to achieve Japanese standards of quality and reliability if you use modern western software. So use Luan instead.

He has a chronically inactive forum at https://mikraite.arkian.net/Reactionary-Software-f1999.html .

Also, shoutout to this political take: https://web.archive.org/web/20240831203139/http://mikraite.arkian.net/Are-democrats-actually-our-allies-td4846.html

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I’m appalled and saddened to hear that Tilly Norwood’s brief but dazzling career has abruptly ended due to an unforeseen tragedy.

After six long days of existence, the AI actress heralded as the “future of cinema” and “the first digital star who doesn’t complain about contracts” has been officially pronounced forgotten.

Sources close to the project report that Tilly’s untimely demise was caused by a catastrophic case of public indifference. Despite a major PR campaign, fake behind-the-scenes leaks, and carefully orchestrated influencer endorsements, audiences grew weary of her flawless cheekbones and nonexistent personality faster than you can scroll past an ad.

The production studio has confirmed that they will not attempt a reboot, citing “a lack of human interest.”

Tilly leaves behind no filmography, no legacy, and no grieving fans - only a press kit, a derelict Instagram account with disabled comment section, and a cautionary tale about believing your own marketing.

May she rest in perpetual beta.

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(adapted from a series of mastodon posts that somewhat blew up, so the format's going to be weird)

why not embrace fashtech! they’ve got:

  • terrible Fisher-Price CSS
  • the most toxic part of the Wayland ecosystem, and that’s saying something
  • the worst part of the X11 ecosystem, and that’s saying something
  • suckless tools and they all fucking suck
  • corporate control over the packages you wrote, for your own protection
  • distributed functional programming that doesn’t function or distribute
  • a non-working web browser moving to a proprietary language that only supports macs, which appears to exist purely to divert funding away from Servo (for anyone posting to tell me Swift technically isn't proprietary, here's how that's going)
  • a working chromium fork whose only business purpose is to push slop extruders and a scam cryptocurrency
  • a web browser which runs single-process so that if a single website freezes or crashes then the entire session freezes or crashes (credit: 2something)
  • “diverse sponsorship” but it’s all MilTech companies; you’re surrounded by a rich market! of drone and other murder manufacturers (credit: @froztbyte@awful.systems)
  • slop extruders
  • cryptocurrencies

if you're puzzled by the above vaguepost, I've written a little answer key:

answer key and further discussion, in order of urgencythe package repositories currently being taken over are RubyGems and NixOS' nixpkgs. it's quite well known that DHH, a Shopify board member, is behind the corporate takeover of RubyGems. he's also coordinating openly on Twitter with the defense contractor Anduril and other actors to ensure that nixpkgs meets an even worse fate. this is the culmination of a long project to make Nix fascist.

DHH and the fascists taking over Nix being in league might seem too convenient to be true, so here's some links. these are just analysis, but if you click through to Twitter you're going to get hit in the face with bare bigotry so fair warning:

https://fedi.slightly.tech/@joepie91/statuses/01K6AHA0BNBBX616JGDJHYET36

https://fedi.slightly.tech/@joepie91/statuses/01K6E3G2Z19M82BWRB3SPADHP9

https://mstdn.games/@KFears/115286316219357517

the tactics the fascists used to take over nixpkgs and RubyGems are old, and they worked. now that they know their tactics work, they'll be coming for other projects.

also publicly coordinating with DHH on Twitter are the guy who started Tailwind (terrible Fisher-Price CSS) Adam Wathan and the leader of the Ladybird web browser Andreas Kling; both are actively brainstorming with DHH ways to make their projects more hostile to non-fascists. while the Tailwind guy turning fash might be surprising, Andreas has a bunch of fash shit on his Twitter and a history.

now's maybe the time to stop advocating for that unserious non-working web browser

the fash papertrail for Ladybird really shouldn't have to go much farther than them receiving money from fascists in a group that included other fascists but here's more anyway:

https://possum.city/notes/a504c0e7vwdj000h

I legitimately do not know how this shitty browser got so popular on fedi, but Andreas controls it so tightly he pretty much single-handedly switched all future development to Swift over his own community's objections

anyway, hyprland is the most toxic part of Wayland. no I won't dig up links, type "hyprland toxic" into a search engine of your choice. other parts of Wayland fucking suck too.

but speaking of fucking sucking, XLibre is a fash X server that also barely works, because the point of fash tech isn't that it works, the point is that it's metaphorically and sometimes literally a weapon. see also the defense contractor currently taking over Nix, but see also the OG fash language, Urbit, the worst functional programming language I've ever known

Urbit is fractally wrong; every part of it that claims to be original isn't, every time it claims to be distributed it's a lie, and when it claims to work it's almost definitely broken, though you wouldn't know cause it was written by an asshole trying to convert Hacker News types to neoreaction and it worked

ask me about Urbit, I have so many notes

the Chromium fork is Brave, a browser by an asshole that claims to be privacy-focused but which is there to push LLMs and cryptocurrencies

the single-process browser is PaleMoon, whose developers seem like real pieces of work

please "enjoy" the suckless developers doing a torchlight hike in coordination with the nazi Unite the Right rally. one of their core devs says this was just a coincidence! two of the links are that same guy ranting about fucking cultural marxism!

https://tilde.team/%7Eben/suckmore/

there's more but if you don't see it from this, you don't give a fuck about fascism, you're here to do evangelism

deep breath

LLMs are slop extruders made by fascists that further fascist goals [citation not needed]

if you scratch a guy who's really into cryptocurrencies, you find a guy who's really into turning the world into a Bitcoin Citadel, a neoreactionary form where anyone who isn't cryptowealthy is a slave: https://decrypt.co/84125/the-bizarre-rise-of-the-bitcoin-citadel

got a favorite I didn’t list? comment with your receipts!

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