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I don't eat meat, but I really don't understand how people like you expect to insult people into not eating meat.
Have you ever been insulted into doing something other people want you to do? I sure haven't.
You can eat meat, just don't be a hypocrite about it and pretend you're better than other people eating meat because your meat lives in pain neck deep in their own shit before you kill it
Cool, so anyone who eats meat should be totally ok with eating whales. Thanks for clarifying that, we'll stop trying to get people to stop eating whales now thanks to your advice.
The options are either that or not eating meat while continuing to try to stop people from eating whales. I support you in whichever you pick.
I really do not understand your "people can be as cruel to animals as they want as long as they aren't hypocrites" position.
I'd rather they weren't, but if it's so integral to their sense of self that they are, at least admit it and stop looking down on people for not being the same kind of cruel as you.
From my observation, the only person looking down on people is you. You're also getting very close to violating our civility rule.
And no one said anything about their sense of self.
This is called a "false choice," or "false dilemma"
Who are you to prevent cockroaches from sharing your kitchen? They're part of this earth too. Why are you complicit in cockroach genocide?
Easy: I don't give two shits about cockroaches.
If you think cockroaches and chickens are the same, go right ahead. You don't see me factory farming cockroaches though.
So you are totally OK with choosing to kill one life form because you see a distinct difference between it and another life form. But you are totally not OK with other people making the EXACT SAME value judgement for themselves. Cool.
That's the point you are missing. You see a difference between a chicken and a cockroach, so therefore it is OK to kill the cockroach but not the chicken. You don't see a difference between a chicken and a whale and therefore don't see any difference in eating one versus the other. That's fine for you to make that choice. You then think it's bad when other people make the same type of choice. I have spent a lot of time around chickens and a lot more than most people around whales, and I see as much difference between maybe the dumbest animal to live and whales (who have languages, culture, names for each other, hold funerals for each other and go in mourning) as I do between a cockroach and a chicken. There's also the whole being threatened or endangered thing.
The irony is lost on most people but in a lot of ways you are correct. I eat meat, I rather wouldn't but dietarily it works well with me, but to say cow's are more worthy of killing and eating than a whale is a preposterous thought.
The issues usually fall to two things. Some find it abhorrent to eat sapient creatures. Others are opposed to eating an endangered animal you don't need to.
Sapience is very ambiguous and hard to judge. Could definitely get away with saying chickens are less intelligent than a whale, a cow maybe, but a pig probably not.
The whales currently being hunted, the minke whale and byrdes whale, are not endangered. The fin whale which they're currently considering in this article is vulnerable but not endangered. Probably shouldn't be hunting if it's vulnerable but there's a bunch of other fish that are vulnerable that no one gives a shit about eating.
Perception is key here. A lot of advertising talks about "endangered whales", but doesn't say, "these whales are doing okay, but these other whales are on the brink of extinction." I certainly couldn't give you a list of endangered vs not endangered whales. Possibly because I live a thousand kilometers from where any whales are going to be found.
Sounds like you don't care about animal cruelty either, in that case. As long as you aren't participating in it.
Seems to me like trying to convince other people not to do it rather than insulting them might be a better use of your time.
Plenty of others have put a lot of effort into convincing people to stop eating meat with a decent amount of success. Do you have some sort of condition preventing you from doing the same? I doubt it.
Again, it seems to me like you have no issues with animal cruelty, just hypocrisy.
I thought you would listen to my warning, but I will be more direct: this is going to be your last chance to stop violating civility rules.