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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Five@slrpnk.net to c/lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

To clarify, the pictured poster Caroline Kwan is an ally, not a TERF. The TERFs referred to in the title are the ones ‘protecting a very specific idea of what a woman is’

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

So, would you agree that if a born male is below the certain testosterone level that the person should compete in women's category? No one seems to be railing on this but somehow everyone is up in arms when it comes to women's sports.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I do love how the people constantly white knighting women by claiming that women who are athletes should be protected from other women who are athletes, but with masculine traits, but when you flip the script and try to suggest that maybe that should apply across the board if that's how we're doing things and "feminine" men should play against women, suddenly it's "no, not like that! Our precious ~~property~~ women must be protected!"

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The person we replied to is literally doing what the posted screenshot is criticising lol. It's not about fairness and equality, some folks are really misogynists and protecting their own idea of what a woman is.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Right. It's a total white knight move. I do not know of any women athletes on the level of a woman like Ms. Khelif (or any other Olympian for that matter) who have asked to be protected from having to compete against a "man."

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not really. Not a sport physiologist, but the core advantage is due to male puberty. If you prevent male puberty with blockers and afterwards keep male testosteron in low range and/or use the same regimen as in M2F transition these individuals would be better matched in a female competition.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

"I'm not an expert, but here's my expert opinion."

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

I have studied molecular biology and researched M2F transition issues privately. I have not claimed to be an expert is sport physiology. Your comeback has no substance.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Ah yes. Privately. You did your own research. Now you're a scientician.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Are you saying some of these born males intentionally use blockers during their puberty? Let's say these born male individuals want to compete athletically in male sports but were outperformed; basically you're saying it's their fault for using blockers during their puberty?

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

There are now some M2F transitioners who take puberty blockers during adolescence. Some of them might become athletes.

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