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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Five@slrpnk.net to c/lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

To clarify, the pictured poster Caroline Kwan is an ally, not a TERF. The TERFs referred to in the title are the ones ‘protecting a very specific idea of what a woman is’

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[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago
[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

It's a reasonable catchall, could have said baseline. Or define things by exclusion, which is unnecessarily technical and verbose.

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It sure is a catchall. However, you don't need to be technical or verbose. The scientific term you want is phenotypical.

I still wonder how you don't think you're being intersexist at the moment though? Like, where do you draw the line? Is a woman with PCOS disallowed because it causes a slightly elevated testosterone level? What about a woman with webbed feet? They wouldn't be considered phenotypical either.

But why don't we get a little more technical and verbose for a second. The typical female testosterone range is 0.5-2.4 nmol/L (that's nanomoles per litre). The typical male range? 10-35 nmol/L. A woman with PCOS may have levels around 2.5-3.5 nmol/L. Someone with Caster Semanya's (alleged, never confirmed) condition would typically have around 3.5-5 nm/L. Still half or less than a phenotypical male. So I bring it back to the webbed feet, because they'd probably be similarly on par in terms of the advantage they provide.

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