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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
Related Communities
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Ffs.
I operate a rock climbing meetup and hiking meetup and most of my mates are women.
In my experience people who act macho are also the least macho, and they do it because they're scared or insecure
Acting toxic isn't acting like a man. It's just an indicator they never left high school.
When the situation gets bad, it's often the non macho ones who take control and fix it when hiking.
Also, I've met world record mountaineers (including a first time 7 summits guy). They just act normal.
"Acting toxic isn't acting like a man."
Yes it is. As much as being kind, protective, supportive, abusive, cruel and every other behaviour is. Words and ideas do not define what acting like a man is. Men acting the way they do does. Which is countless of ways.
I didn't say macho, and you added toxic. Men and women behave differently. It's natural. We have different chemicals pumping through our systems and driving our decisions. But men who spend more time with women behave more like women. There's a study right here talking about it.
We have mostly the same chemicals just different concentrations. Also humans in general show wide variability of behavior, it helps to get out there to realize we are all very similar and different at the same time and there is almost no benefit in thinking in gigantic buckets that encompass half of us.
Define " like women"
You're downvoting pretty benign responses, and adding a lot of your own preconceptions to what I've said, so I'm going to pass. Have a great day though. Keep-on sending it on the wall!
That's a very reasonable question which you're clearly trying to avoid answering. You're generalizing women.
None of the women I know fit into a specific category . My down votes don't make what you're saying valid.
Just so you know, it's possible I misinterpreted what you said, but it sounds like you're implying it's a negative thing. Some of the most masculine blokes I know are actually the most supportive people I know. People fit a spectrum.
I know plenty of women with high levels of testosterone in their blood and very little estrogen. You don't know what you're talking about.
You know the hormonal levels of several acquaintances? That's odd. Just because you know people outside of the normal ranges doesn't change the fact that among people in the ranges that are considered normal by medical science, men have far higher levels of testosterone than women, and lower levels of estrogen. The fact that outliers exist doesn't change that proven fact.